Why i the shadow of the flagpole seperated from the flag shadow. It is split and moved offcenter. Is this a real picture? Looks like in the shadow he is just holding up the flag above the pole but the real pole is solid. Very strange.

-Ken Starr

You can see in the shadow of the satalite dish that there is a small ridge that is causing the breaks in the shadows.

-caedes

Has anyone ever seen CAPRICORN ONE!!!!!!!!!!!. Hummmm makes you think abit!!....

-mark wilson

It's a fake ...the space landing us e.t.'s were here first!

-e.b.e

If your interested this shot was taken in a secret underground base located in the nevada desert. I can say this because i work for the dark side of the u.s. government.

-Smoking Man

After using a hammer to drive the pole into the ground, he then proceded to attach the flag to the pole. The photo captures the event just as he is attaching the flag. It appears that the flag is already attached to the pole, but that's just from the camera perspective. The shadow tells the truth. Look closely at the flag (with its short pole), and you can imagine that it is a few inches behind the pole. Because the sun is at a slightly different angle than the camera, the shadow shows the offset.

Get it?

to me it looks like it is attached, but theres a dip or ridge that you cant see beacuse of the sun. look at the astronauts shadow, the same thing has happened to him

Think sensibly, the moon landing was a big hoax,
the proof is in the pudding, look at all the nasa pictures ever taken, in all of them notice that there is no signs of stars surrounding the moon, and if u think about it, the moon has no atmosphere, so the stars should be clearly visable, another
incident happens to be, that all nasa landing craft when landed on the moon surface, has no debris or crater from the heat of the landing craft. What.... o yea.. when craft lands with that much heat, it is jes going to "feather to the ground" yea right...:@, the other case especially in the movie sequences of the landing(actual footage) the flag is waving when they place it on the moon, now ppl u do the math, the moon has no atmosphere so it has no air, no air means it has no wind,
and the last proof is that every single person who worked in the launches to the moon, never retired from nasa, all men that landed on the moon never got to retire, why?, they mysteriously died, before they ever got a chance,
we all are being played into a big government conspiracy, and many are blinded by the truth, because they cant bear to know what realy happend,
its a hoax, and smoking man is right, it was filmed on a set of arizona...(the least they couldve done is filmed it at night when the stars came out;))
o and about this particualr "real picture", if there is no wind no atmosphere and no air, how the hell does a flag stand up perfectly look at the U.S flag yurself, the "flag" flag is standing up straight so all the flag is without a doubt visable..

What is strange about shadows following the terrain?

FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE

if u go to www.dc8p.com there is a thing which shows the moon landing was a hoax, its quite funny and makes u think....

The only way this debate will ever get resolved is for people to go back and see for themselves. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that will be happening any time soon, as the human race seems to be devolving into a bunch of weaselly, superstitious bean-counters who have lost the capacity to dream large. Too many people driven by fear and greed rather than curiosity and hope, at least in my country. This failure of imagination is a shame no matter how you slice it. Just my opinion.

Oh, yeah, but there ARE laser reflectors left on the moon by the Apollo astronauts which are routinely used by non-govt. scientists to measure the Earth-Moon distance to within a centimeter or so. I suppose if you think the whole thing was faked you have to account for those by... multiple, unmanned placements? I'm not saying it's ridiculous but it seems like a bit of trouble just to maintain an illusion.

lots of people that went to the moon have retired from nasa

Men have really gone several times on moon.Long time before Appolo 11.
Some real one pics among most of all false are showed just for the fun !
In fact, those who wanted to hide the truth, and what is moon for good (and for years) let people see, nalyse, and think exactly what they want to.
During this time, they do working, living(with non humans) on the moon, and nobody, except few ones have to know what for !
Lights, darkness, sand on moonboots, flag, shadows... remember "trust no one, because truth is out there " !

] o and about this particualr "real picture", if there is no wind no atmosphere
] and no air, how the hell does a flag stand up perfectly look at the U.S flag yurself

Hmm... take your own advice and actually *look* at the picture. How does the flag stand up on its own? You put a support rod in, inserted in loops in the fabric at the edges. That's pretty obvious, when you take a look at the picture.

] look at all the nasa pictures ever taken, in all of them notice that there is
] no signs of stars surrounding the moon, and if u think about it, the moon
] has no atmosphere, so the stars should be clearly visable

Hmm... never done any photography, I take it? Since the moon has no atmosphere, light from the Sun is *extremely* bright. As such, the light reflected off the ground will also be very bright, much brighter than light from stars many thousands of light-years away. You won't see any stars in the pictures without using an exposure time that would over-expose the rest of the scene.

To say that all the people who ever worked on the Moon landings never retired is preposterous. I'm not even going to bother refuting that, because it's simply unsubstantiated conspiracy theory.

As for a flag waving without wind, that's easily explained by plain-old mechanics of non-rigid body motion. What happens when you take a piece of cloth and pull on an edge? The whole thing doesn't move at once, it stretches a little here and there, and the motion travels through the fabric in a ripple. This happens whether you have air or not. Then, because you've set it in motion, it will continue to ripple, *especially* in the absence of air, with weak gravity.

Sending people to the moon is one of mankind's greatest achievements. People who have nothing better to do than try to pick it apart (un-intelligently, I might add) disgust me.

Now JFK... there's some fun conspiracy for you... (joke)

its a fact that the lading is fake full stop

there is too much radiation in space which wold kill every one who go's out of the earths magnetic feeld and the astronots suit's cold and doesn't stop that

CELIC_MC grow a a brain... wtf do you know about radiation and wether the suits could stop it or not?
I personnally agree with jburnett.

shakabooo, should we give any time to respond to that? nah!
anyway, there is radiation called gamma radiation that these people must wear their space suit so the radiation has no way to get to them. These suits obviously work if they've made it to the moon, which im a firm believer that they have. There are too many people that are Anti-government and, like somebody said, have nothing else better to do than to pick mans greatest acheivement apart... the world has its critics, and obviously we've seen them here ...

Celik_mc, man before you talk about what the astronaut's suit can protect against, learn how to write....
The moon landing was REAL and for all the idiots who trie to proove that it was'nt, you will continue to try and FAIL, because people like jburnett will be always proove you wrong.

Have a nice.
Live Long and prosper.

Fake or not... I don't care NICE PIC! :D He never said it was a picture taken on the moon... In eather way, on the moon or in a studio, it's not fake... And the flag shaddow... What's the problem? There's a little bump thing...

All the people who don't think we landed on the moon are a bunch on ignorant fools. Shame on you for trying to tarnish one of the greatest feats in human history. The kind of ridiculous behavour you are showing goes agenst all the ideals that the Apollo missions stood for. Anyway, why would the American government put so much time,energy and money into fooling the world. It just dosen't make sense to waste all these resources and not go actually to the moon.

Japan will return to the moon within a few years. This will prove everything. Here's the site,, http://moon.nasda.go.jp/en/moonexp/index.html

What we lack now adays is the urge to explore the space. The only reason we reached the moon is because we don't want to sleep under communist moon. Technologically we can put human on mars easily but there's no will to do that. :-(

This is a real fake...

my ass this is a real picture
bloody fake
NEXT

Ummmm, This is great and all but why has no one ever taken a picture of the moon from hubble, satallite, or other telescope and found the landing sight? And also if there are reflectors how is it that no one can find them except for the government.

There was one other thing I hear that was kinda fishy. Some of the NASA photo's show two shadows..........Interesting.

This is one sad page of communication. :-( Little facts, little respect. For those who want to see reality in space might I suggest....a one-way trip to Pluto!

The picture MIGHT be real(not digitally manipulated) BUT the question really is... Is the picture taken from the moon? WRONG ! WRONG! Those of you who believe this, you've got to read books.
This is biggest hoax of all time. It is staged in a desert in Arizona. Check out a book at your nearest local library(Greatest Conspiracy Of All time)
What happen to the Disection of an Alien? UFO's?.... Crop Circles?? Humans Please don't fool humans..... Those of you ignorant fools who believe this, this is your lesson for the day, Always speculate!

i'm not sure is it,or it isn't fake photo,but i just spotted that,a flag has an extra holder on the top of it!!?So...maybe!i'm not sure in either way!We'll just have to call agent Molder...I'm sure he'll figure something out!

Great iconic image

For instance, Russia, China, East Germany and other cold-war enemies of the USA closely monitored the lunar missions. It was easy to tell whether the Apollo radio signals were coming from the direction of the Moon, and whether the time delays in conversation matched the distance the signals had to travel. If anything had seemed wrong, surely these unfriendly countries would have loudly shouted to the world that the USA was pulling a hoax!

Therefore I honestly doubt it was a hoax...

I belive that we actully landed on the moon and even if we did what other way to dishearten our enemys into beliving they could not take on the USA personally i choose to belive that we landed despite all the facts

even if it was a hoax, how would they keep about 10,000 people in the NASA to keep quiet? that is a lot of bribing if u ask me

so please dont even mention the moon landing as a hoax....it's too stupid of an idea...just like christiniaty :)

The Landing was just a way for America to boast like they always do.

uuuu la gringada

Whether or not we landed is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is it has opened up many doors of opportunity and now we have the Cassini mission to Saturn which will give us the most indept view of the Saturian system ever. SOmething totally unthinkable a century ago. so instead of bashing the gov't over a hoax, how about celebrating mans achievement in space exploration.

Conspiracy theories abound, but where's the proof? A hoax that elaborate would have left a trail a mile wide, no matter how hard they tried to cover it up. You may just be buying into something because you saw it on TV or some website. Think it through for yourself and don't be afraid to look into the facts before forming your opinion.

OMG!!!!!!! You people are total idiots! Duh the moon has no wind, the flag has an extra rod at the top to hold it up! Why would you think the Apollo 11 crew would just leave a flag hanging down? You guys are sick freaks! I mean seriously, a hoax? Besides if you guys ever went to school you would have known that the moon's surface is rocky and has many ridges that distort shadows. DUHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And i agree with mazer010: "Think it through for yourself and don't be afraid to look into the facts before forming your opinion."

it is a real pic...that is the shadow of myself as i snapped the pic

The most compelling evidence to back up the moon landing are moon rocks. Private and government scientists from countries all around the world, friendly and non-friendly, agree that the "supposed" moon rocks have characteristics not found on earth rocks. No credible scientist would disagree with this statement. It happened, so just accept it all you anti-government weirdos.

the moonlanding was the greatest achievment in history so far ,and i 'm proud of it -even i`'m european (i apologize for my poor english ) .

"Pictures of astronauts sent from the Moon don't include stars in the dark lunar sky. How could that be? Did NASA's film makers forget to turn on the stars? Most people who take photos know the answer: it's hard to take a picture of something very bright and something else very dim on the same photo. Ever watch a TV program or movie with outdoor night scenes? Unless the movie producers fake stars in the sky, or use special cameras, you just don't see stars. The cameras are adjusted for the actors, and the stars in the background are too dim to see." That's the first one. Visit http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/News/2001/News-MoonLanding.asp for more conivincing info.

February 5, 1971 - Fra Mauro highlands. Good old Al Shepard, fifth man on the moon. He only screwed over Gordo Cooper to get there. Nice going, Al. And he was 47 at the time, the oldest American to walk on the moon.

YOUR ALL F&*#ING RETARDED!!!! THE FLAG STANDS STRAIGHT BECAUSE THEY MADE IT OUT OF A RIGID MATERIAL BECAUSE THEY KNEW THERE WAS NO ATMOSPHERE, OR WIND, SO THEY HAD TO MAKE SURE IT WOULD STAND STRAIGHT! HOW WOULD THERE BE WIND IN A STUDIO THEN IF YOUR STILL GOING TO COMPLAIN!!!!!!! THINK ABOUT THAT! YOUR ALL F#%#ING RETARDED, HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE SAY THINGS WITHOUT GETTING YOUR DAMN FACTS STRAIGHT, SERIOUSLY GET OVER IT WE WENT TO THE MOON NOW STOP TRYING TO PUT US DOWN!!!!! AS FOR NOT SEEING STARS, THERE ARE PLENTY OF PICS IN SPACE WITHOUT STARS, ITS ALL ABOUT GLARE AND LIGHTING FROM THE SURFACE. AS FOR THE SHADOWS, THIS PICTURE PROBABLY JUST HAD AN UPLOADING PROBLEM, S%$T HAPPENS ON COMPUTERS BY ACCIDENT! MY GOD YOUR ALL RETARDED!!! IM GOING TO GO PUKE HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, THINK OF THE PEOPLE WHO SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES IN THE SPACE PROGRAM, YOU PEOPLE DISGUST ME!

Uploading problem...Heh.

THIS IS NOT FAKE: Notice the STICK going through the upper portion of the flag extending all the way out to the end. Also notice the loop around the bottem of the flag securing it to the main mast. This is holding the bottem in place.

This is to hold the flag in the up and out possion because THERE IS NO WIND IN SPACE. DUH. You people are beyond retarded.

PS. Turn the lights out in your room, and look close. YES, YOU CAN SEE STARS IN THE BACKGROUND. They are faint because of the exposure time of the photo.
If you can't see them ,invest in a better monitor. They are there. I promise.

Man i only came to see pictures. I didn't think this was a debate site.

You really can see the stars in the picture. If you save the picture and open it up on a photoshop type of program you can see alot of stars. What you do is zoom in enough to keep the picture smooth looking and then press the negative button. What happens is the colors invert and so do the stars.

Try it I dare you!!!!

Let's take this apart:

The "break" in the flag pole is caused by a ridge in the rear-ground of the image; the same effect can be seen in the shadow of the satellite dish.

Second, concerning the unseen stars. Those here who have pointed out that, because the surface of the moon is highly reflective (it can light up a night here on earth, just by reflected light off its surface), the sheer brightness and omnipresence of that reflected light in the focal field of the camera washes out the comparatively dim light of the stars. The same effect can be seen on earth - in a city, the large of amount of ambient light prevents people from seeing most of the stars in the sky - they are still there, in the exact same place, but seem "invisible." Go into a rural area with little or no ambient light, and those stars are visible, and much much brighter.

Now, the regolith (moon dust/soil/rock) on the moon's surface has an albedo (the measure of how much a material reflects the sun's light) of 7-10%. This is quite high. Combine that with the relatively light color of the regolith (it's not black) and one gets a highly reflective surface, that can easily render a camera (especially of that period) unable to adjust its exposure correctly to capture both the reflected light, and the very dim starlight - it chooses the brightest option, more or less.

Let's move to some other common arguments:

One, that some pictures indicate shadows cast at multiple angles, which then seems to mean that the moon shots were taken on a set with multiple lights in different places. Skeptics out there say it's impossible to have a shadow cast from a single source (as bright and encompassing as the sun) that would cause shadows to be formed in more than one direction or angle. On a flat surface, this is true. But even small shifts in topography (like those that occur on the moon) will cause shadows, even in photo's taken from the same position, to appear to be out of alignment - remember, a shadow only exists visibly ON THE SURFACE on which it is cast; thus, if the surface is not flat, but falls away from or rises above the object, the shadow will appear to be out of line of the light source and the object.

Another one: that in some images, an astronaut stands in the shadow of a larger object (such as the lander) and at the same time is still brightly lit. One would think that he would be blacked out in the shadow, just as the back side of the larger object is. Once again, the key player here is the very high reflectivity of the moon's surface. The shadow of the lander being relatively small, and the reflected light so bright, that the white suit (which of course being white absorbs no light and reflects all light) easily reflects the strong ambient light from near where he is standing, thus making him seemingly well-lit while standing in a shadow.

And finally, the flag waving. The flag was NOT treated to make it stiff such that it could stand up by itself even without wind blowing through it. However, an extra sleeve, just like the vertical one in its side that a normal pole passes through, was sewn into the top, horizontal section. This was to allow a two part pole - one vertical part, and one horizontal, connected at a 90 degree angle - to be placed through it. The vertical pole held it vertical, and the horizontal pole attached to it held the flag across the top, so it would hang outward, like it does in the wind on earth. Now what this means is that there was horizontal support at the top, but not the bottom - the bottom moved freely. So why does it appear to be moving in the wind? Because there is no atmosphere on the moon, and therefore no air and therefore no air/wind resistance (space is a vacuum of course). This combined with the reduced gravity, produces the effect we see: that when the astronaut is placing the flag in the ground, his movement from doing that propagates into the flag, which swing back and forth - and with no bottom support, no air resistance, and a 6th of the force pulling it to its center (based on the laws of inertia - see the movement of a pendulum) it swings much more significantly and for a longer period of time than it would on earth (recall that in theory, a pendulum in a vacuum [no air resistance] in a space with not even the minutest amount of gravity [no inertial resistance] would swing the same distance back and forth FOREVER).

I hope this clarifies some things.