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Contest Topic Poll
All Contests Results Entries Topic Poll
Ended 11/15/11 11:15 PM GMT
Winner: allisontaylor
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Poll: Topic for contest starting Sat Oct 29
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Flowing motion: ie: long exposure time with ribbons to get a smooth look when they have been moving
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We are but humble fish swimming in the sea of life
Color Symbolism Chart
Color: Meaning, Symbolism and Psychology - a pretty detailed look at colors and meanings.
Color: Meaning, Symbolism and Psychology - a pretty detailed look at colors and meanings.
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"In the beginning, there was nothing. Then God said, "Let there be light". And there was still nothing but you could see it." -- Groucho Marx
Song title - name of song to be provided. Applicable to all genres :)
I like Colour symbolism as well.
I like Colour symbolism as well.
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
Or maybe a combination of the two - I always think of keys as certain colors (probably due to an early piano teacher who color-coded the keys rather than to synesthesia) ...
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"In the beginning, there was nothing. Then God said, "Let there be light". And there was still nothing but you could see it." -- Groucho Marx
Originals - although this may not allow much scope for my digital friends i would be very interested to see the calibre of images uploaded that had no post shot editing at all, no cropping, no contrast or saturation enhancement. Although i realise it would be difficult to enforce i guess its up to the voter to decide if the rules have been broken.
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He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the almighty. I will say of the Lord, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God in whom i trust". Psalm 91: 1 and 2
But it looks like we're going to get yet another "photographers only", "post your usual and dump it in the contest", "no thought required" topic ...
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"In the beginning, there was nothing. Then God said, "Let there be light". And there was still nothing but you could see it." -- Groucho Marx
Looking at the 53 entries in the 'Water' contest it would appear that a great deal of thought has gone into many of them - surely its a bit unfair to label them 'dumped in the contest'? Only 3 non-photographers chose to enter - I thought it was a subject that could be used by other artists quite easily.
I know even I managed to create a couple of feeble abstracts with a thought of entering one - just not good enough.
We have had several recent contest topics which on the surface would seem to favour non photography artists - Infinity, Geometrics, Balance, Surreal, Abstract.
Apart from the last one all of the above suggestions look ok to me for any genre.
I know even I managed to create a couple of feeble abstracts with a thought of entering one - just not good enough.
We have had several recent contest topics which on the surface would seem to favour non photography artists - Infinity, Geometrics, Balance, Surreal, Abstract.
Apart from the last one all of the above suggestions look ok to me for any genre.
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
I doubt I would enter an Originals contest. Mine would look awful. But I agree, that's not fair to say "dumped". I'm already giving a lot of thought about a particular tree I want to shoot, considering the time of day it would receive the best light, where to put it in the shot, what I may or may not do with it in Photoshop, etc. But so what if we miss out on one contest? Cudos to the ones that can show off a talent that I don't have. There will be other contests no matter what is chosen at any given time. I don't see why 2 contests couldn't be run at once either if it's an issue. One photographers and one digital. But Hannah, you did great on the water contest~ an eye catching entry. I don't understand your complaint when I'm sure you could do a very cool looking tree with your talent.
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"This is going to sound harsh, however.."
/\ This is how this post originally started, but, going to change/edit what followed.
What I was hoping to address was the concerns (my own and those PM'd to me by other members) ... with respect to the contest topic selections.
Trees.
On the surface ... seems to me to be a photography focused subject.
Further down in this discussion, I thought that perhaps the idea of "Branch" might possibly serve two creative masters ('part of the solution', not the problem stuff here). That of; photography and CGI.
Here is the idea repeated once more from 26/10/11 17:16:
"Branch"
"A tree branch, a bank branch, a metaphorical branch. This word has many different meanings. Create an image/take a photograph relating to one of them."
branch/branCH/
Noun: A part of a tree that grows out from the trunk or from a bough.
Verb: (of a road or path) Divide into one or more subdivisions.
I received a PM from a member about this discussion and have therefore edited out the inflammatory parts of what was here before in this post's previous incarnation.
Admittedly, I did not do a good good job previously in conveying my thoughts.
And for the record, I have no creative predilections towards that of CGI, or photography. I happen to enjoy and do.. both.
( This post has been edited.)
/\ This is how this post originally started, but, going to change/edit what followed.
What I was hoping to address was the concerns (my own and those PM'd to me by other members) ... with respect to the contest topic selections.
Trees.
On the surface ... seems to me to be a photography focused subject.
Further down in this discussion, I thought that perhaps the idea of "Branch" might possibly serve two creative masters ('part of the solution', not the problem stuff here). That of; photography and CGI.
Here is the idea repeated once more from 26/10/11 17:16:
"Branch"
"A tree branch, a bank branch, a metaphorical branch. This word has many different meanings. Create an image/take a photograph relating to one of them."
branch/branCH/
Noun: A part of a tree that grows out from the trunk or from a bough.
Verb: (of a road or path) Divide into one or more subdivisions.
I received a PM from a member about this discussion and have therefore edited out the inflammatory parts of what was here before in this post's previous incarnation.
Admittedly, I did not do a good good job previously in conveying my thoughts.
And for the record, I have no creative predilections towards that of CGI, or photography. I happen to enjoy and do.. both.
( This post has been edited.)
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People aren't going to remember the things you do. They're going to remember how you made people feel. Be kind, gracious, and appreciative. Dan Winters - Photographer.
I like Song Title. It makes you think and would be open to all.
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People are like cameras--sometimes they lose focus.
I love trees and have a lot of photos of them and most of them aren't Autumn colors, but it doesn't matter.
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I didn't make a selection from above nor make one of my own, but I would think that trees would offer up so many possiblities for CG artists, fractalists, painters and photographers alike. There are probably more trees in the world than people and the people contest brought forth so many different and wonderful entries. Seems to me that something as beautiful and varied as a tree would present myriad opportunites for great creativity.
There are trees of different shape, color, stature, growth habit, orientation, in different setings with different backgrounds in different stages of life. There's the Kabbala, the tree of life, palm trees, deciduous trees, pine trees, graceful trees (willows), flowering trees, winter trees covered with snow, Christmas trees and even shoe trees. Everyone should be able to come up with something. Consider The Blessed Tree, the only tree for thousands of kilometers around in a desert in Syria.
There are trees of different shape, color, stature, growth habit, orientation, in different setings with different backgrounds in different stages of life. There's the Kabbala, the tree of life, palm trees, deciduous trees, pine trees, graceful trees (willows), flowering trees, winter trees covered with snow, Christmas trees and even shoe trees. Everyone should be able to come up with something. Consider The Blessed Tree, the only tree for thousands of kilometers around in a desert in Syria.
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"There are probably more trees in the world than people and the people contest brought forth so many different and wonderful entries."
And, just exactly how many entries to the "People" contest were CGI?
"There are trees of different shape, color, stature, growth habit, orientation, in different setings with different backgrounds in different stages of life."
Allow me to reduce the thoughts in the above sentence = 'landscape photography'.
"There's the Kabbala, the tree of life, palm trees, deciduous trees, pine trees, graceful trees (willows), flowering trees, winter trees covered with snow, Christmas trees and even shoe trees."
As I stated in my above post, so.. the challenge and difficulty behind this topic is choosing the kind/species/location of a particular tree?
"Consider The Blessed Tree, the only tree for thousands of kilometers around in a desert in Syria."
Are you visiting Syria in the next two weeks?
I wonder how many members are?
And, just exactly how many entries to the "People" contest were CGI?
"There are trees of different shape, color, stature, growth habit, orientation, in different setings with different backgrounds in different stages of life."
Allow me to reduce the thoughts in the above sentence = 'landscape photography'.
"There's the Kabbala, the tree of life, palm trees, deciduous trees, pine trees, graceful trees (willows), flowering trees, winter trees covered with snow, Christmas trees and even shoe trees."
As I stated in my above post, so.. the challenge and difficulty behind this topic is choosing the kind/species/location of a particular tree?
"Consider The Blessed Tree, the only tree for thousands of kilometers around in a desert in Syria."
Are you visiting Syria in the next two weeks?
I wonder how many members are?
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Are you visiting Syria in the next two weeks?
I wonder how many members are?
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What does that have to do with anything? It was just an example of a tree.
Maybe the topic doesn't challenge you specifically. Samo...samo.
I wonder how many members are?
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What does that have to do with anything? It was just an example of a tree.
Maybe the topic doesn't challenge you specifically. Samo...samo.
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RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL
As I stated in my above post, so.. the challenge and difficulty behind this topic is choosing the kind/species/location of a particular tree?.................
There's a start.
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And, just exactly how many entries to the "People" contest were CGI
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What difference? Those who chose to enter, did.
They responded to the challenge. Their vision is perhaps more far reaching than yours.
You convinced me, Les. I just voted for trees.
There's a start.
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And, just exactly how many entries to the "People" contest were CGI
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What difference? Those who chose to enter, did.
They responded to the challenge. Their vision is perhaps more far reaching than yours.
You convinced me, Les. I just voted for trees.
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Trees sound OK to me.Lot's of ways to photograph.For example here Is the famous Sycamore Gap.Note the various treatments it has been given.It looks so different in every picture..Lots of scope to be creative..I'm sure casechaser or Joanie could make a fractal tree.Someone could even produce one from Bryce or other software,So there's plenty of scope if one's mind is put to it.Not to say I'll vote that way but it is a viable entry.....Go hug one...R.
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Donald Duck comics were banned from Finland because he doesn't wear pants
Recent literal/photographically-oriented contests:
Bridges: 3 out of 32 were non-photographs
Winners: 1
Rustic: 3 out of 47 were non-photographs
Winners: 0
People: 1 out of 56 were non-photographs
Winners: 0
Water: 2 out of 41 were non-photographs
Percentage of non-photographs: 5%
Winners: 7%
Recent non-literal contests:
Surreal: 12 out of 39 were non-photographs
Winners: 3
Tolkien-Esque: 12 out of 30 were non-photographs
Winners: 2
Emptiness: 8 out of 37 were non-photographs
Winners: 2
I Love Green: 6 out of 52 were non-photographs
Winners: 0
Percentage of non-photographs: 24%
Winners: 35%
Two things are pretty clear to me from that:
1. Non-literal contests aren't a problem for photographers - they still posted 76% of the entries.
2. Literal contests are not very favorable to non-photographers.
The numbers speak for themselves.
Bridges: 3 out of 32 were non-photographs
Winners: 1
Rustic: 3 out of 47 were non-photographs
Winners: 0
People: 1 out of 56 were non-photographs
Winners: 0
Water: 2 out of 41 were non-photographs
Percentage of non-photographs: 5%
Winners: 7%
Recent non-literal contests:
Surreal: 12 out of 39 were non-photographs
Winners: 3
Tolkien-Esque: 12 out of 30 were non-photographs
Winners: 2
Emptiness: 8 out of 37 were non-photographs
Winners: 2
I Love Green: 6 out of 52 were non-photographs
Winners: 0
Percentage of non-photographs: 24%
Winners: 35%
Two things are pretty clear to me from that:
1. Non-literal contests aren't a problem for photographers - they still posted 76% of the entries.
2. Literal contests are not very favorable to non-photographers.
The numbers speak for themselves.
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"In the beginning, there was nothing. Then God said, "Let there be light". And there was still nothing but you could see it." -- Groucho Marx
It would be hard to find a topic that wouldn't allow creativity. But we ought to have ones that require it.
How many of us don't have a camera and tree handy to snap a picture in 5 minutes? For that matter, how many of us don't already have multiple tree pictures already on our computers?
How many of us don't have a camera and tree handy to snap a picture in 5 minutes? For that matter, how many of us don't already have multiple tree pictures already on our computers?
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"In the beginning, there was nothing. Then God said, "Let there be light". And there was still nothing but you could see it." -- Groucho Marx
*(Even 'Autumn Splendour' ... which, might be popular given the time of year ... would open the contest up for more genres of art.. as opposed to this very photography-centric one and be at the very least ... somewhat 'inspired'.)*
Not so - just because it is Autumn in some parts of the world does not mean it is everywhere. Would disadvatage photographers where Spring is bursting forth in all its glory. Would not be at all inspiring for we poor downtrodden unconsidered minority. . . .
Takes tongue out of cheek ......
I have not voted for Trees but it seems a topic that would suit all genres and could produce some interesting and imaginative results.
Do a Google search for Tree photography - 124,000,000 image results.
Tree computer art gives 46,100,000
Seems like plenty of scope for the subject allowing for limitless interpretations.
Have separate contests - problem solved.
Let the previous winner chose the new topic - topic problem solved !
P.s. I have 4 cameras and literally thousands of trees within shooting distance - but snapping a contest entry in 5 minutes ? - no way!
I could not even stagger outside in that time.
Not so - just because it is Autumn in some parts of the world does not mean it is everywhere. Would disadvatage photographers where Spring is bursting forth in all its glory. Would not be at all inspiring for we poor downtrodden unconsidered minority. . . .
Takes tongue out of cheek ......
I have not voted for Trees but it seems a topic that would suit all genres and could produce some interesting and imaginative results.
Do a Google search for Tree photography - 124,000,000 image results.
Tree computer art gives 46,100,000
Seems like plenty of scope for the subject allowing for limitless interpretations.
Have separate contests - problem solved.
Let the previous winner chose the new topic - topic problem solved !
P.s. I have 4 cameras and literally thousands of trees within shooting distance - but snapping a contest entry in 5 minutes ? - no way!
I could not even stagger outside in that time.
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
Is it really that much to ask for consideration be given to all members?
Is it that difficult to come up with Contest topics that are all inclusive?
(*reads a few specific posts above*)
Is it at all possible in these discussions to avoid personal attacks?
Is it that difficult to come up with Contest topics that are all inclusive?
(*reads a few specific posts above*)
Is it at all possible in these discussions to avoid personal attacks?
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All members are considered. All topics or genre are inclusive. In some instances photographers have to be a little more creative and in other instances graphic artists, etc. have to be more creative, but there should be no limitation of subject material for anyone who is creative at all.
Just so you know, Les, if you come attacking me for my ideas, I am going to come back and show you the error of your ways. Make no mistake about that.
Just so you know, Les, if you come attacking me for my ideas, I am going to come back and show you the error of your ways. Make no mistake about that.
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RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL
Got it.. for the tree lovers and everyone:
"Branch"
"A tree branch, a bank branch, a metaphorical branch. This word has many different meanings. Create an image/take a photograph relating to one of them."
branch/branCH/
Noun: A part of a tree that grows out from the trunk or from a bough.
Verb: (of a road or path) Divide into one or more subdivisions.
"Branch"
"A tree branch, a bank branch, a metaphorical branch. This word has many different meanings. Create an image/take a photograph relating to one of them."
branch/branCH/
Noun: A part of a tree that grows out from the trunk or from a bough.
Verb: (of a road or path) Divide into one or more subdivisions.
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"Just so you know, Les, if you come attacking me for my ideas, I am going to come back and show you the error of your ways. Make no mistake about that."
"Judge not, lest ye not be judged." (Matthew 7:1)
"Judge not, lest ye not be judged." (Matthew 7:1)
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So it is with 'tree' as well. It can have many different meanings too.
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RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL
The 11th 'unofficial' Commandment:
'Thou shalt not repeat thyself.'
:oP
'Thou shalt not repeat thyself.'
:oP
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Personal message from cynlee [ 26/10/11 17:23 ]:
Well, thank you, Moses.
Well, thank you, Moses.
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The 11th 'unofficial' Commandment:
'Thou shalt not repeat thyself.'
:oP
'Thou shalt not repeat thyself.'
:oP
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Literal topics: 5% non-photographs
Non-literal: 24% non-photographs
Look at the facts! History disproves your claims to be inclusive. And obviously the photographers are not having much trouble with the non-literal ones.
It might help if everyone who is willing to be truly inclusive would unite and vote or switch their vote for one inclusive topic. "Song Title" seems to have the best chance.
Non-literal: 24% non-photographs
Look at the facts! History disproves your claims to be inclusive. And obviously the photographers are not having much trouble with the non-literal ones.
It might help if everyone who is willing to be truly inclusive would unite and vote or switch their vote for one inclusive topic. "Song Title" seems to have the best chance.
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"In the beginning, there was nothing. Then God said, "Let there be light". And there was still nothing but you could see it." -- Groucho Marx
Well, let me ask you this, Hannah. What is the ratio of photographers to non-photographers on this site? Were we to know that, then we could put your statistics into greater perspective.
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Whoa... this has gotten downright nasty. When it dips down into photography versus non-photography bashing and insults and personal attacks back and forth, I need to bow out. Accent on 'need'.
mary ;-/
mary ;-/
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"If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." -- Katharine Hepburn
Suggestion - disallow discussion in the Topic Poll.
Post the suggestion with an obligatory explanation and thats it.
Discussion muddies the waters and polarizes members.
Further suggestion (one I have made before) allow the successful topic chooser to make their own pick independent of votes at the contest conclusion explaining why it best fulfils their original concept.
Polarization, Polarity . . could be a Topic ! . . . .nah - Polar Bears are hard to find :)
Post the suggestion with an obligatory explanation and thats it.
Discussion muddies the waters and polarizes members.
Further suggestion (one I have made before) allow the successful topic chooser to make their own pick independent of votes at the contest conclusion explaining why it best fulfils their original concept.
Polarization, Polarity . . could be a Topic ! . . . .nah - Polar Bears are hard to find :)
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
I don't see any bashing that you speak of Mary. I see a mod trying to direct traffic to his side of the street and mocking members for their ideas and suggestions and I don't see that it is a non-photographer vs. photographer situation. I think maybe Hannah made a valid observation that seemed like it would shed more light on her point of view if we knew how many photographers and how many non-photographers there are on site. There are some of us here who feel comfortable in either venue.
There is nothing wrong with open discussion, but I don't believe that we should be attacked because we have a different view of things.
There is nothing wrong with open discussion, but I don't believe that we should be attacked because we have a different view of things.
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Well, here we go again...yet another 'friendly' discussion on the matter of contest topics...*sighs*...say, here's a thought...why don't we fashion our next contest on the subject of 'conflict' since there seems to be a hearty appetite for it already...maybe then some of the rants, raves, rudeness, egos, personality differences, and the like could be channelled into some creative and unique imagery and all genres would be welcome...how does that sound?...a little sarcastic?...you bet it is...and just the tip of the iceberg...I could go on and on to explain what I mean...could even point fingers and name names, but I won't do that...it is however, increasingly difficult for me, and no doubt others, to curb the impatience and disappointment felt when the same problems seem to keep coming up over and over again...that being, dissension on the discussion boards and the problem of excluding some genres in the contests...I thought part of the appeal of this site was its' community spirit...so, just what sort of spirit are we harboring around here these days?...as for the contests, seems to me we should not only make sure all genres can participate but also try to be a little more imaginative in our suggestions...what is a contest afterall, is it not a challenge of sorts and as such we should all be a little more challenged in our efforts if participating.
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In your light I learn how to love. In your beauty, how to make poems. You dance inside my chest, where no one sees you, but sometimes I do, and that sight becomes this art. ~Rumi~
A contest of any sort of art is always creatively challenging no matter the theme.
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I have to agree with Hanna on this. I have many images of trees, some in the main gallery. Yes it is artistically challenging, perhaps mores for those that have not mastered artistic images of trees but, I've done that, and would like something a little more interesting. You can interpret the theme differently, but I doubt that many will, or have the time to do so as competitions are quite short, but that is another thread topic.
At least trees may be more open to fractalists and CGI than say faces was. And water did produce more than 5 good images, sometimes I struggle to find 5 to vote on.
At least trees may be more open to fractalists and CGI than say faces was. And water did produce more than 5 good images, sometimes I struggle to find 5 to vote on.
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"There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs." Ansel Adams - Gallery - Web Site - follow me on Twitter.
There is truth in what you say, Cindy, but perhaps (?) some of the disagreement in all this is due in part to our individual ideas on what the whole point of these contests is in the first place...is it merely to vote in and reward the 'cream of the crop' as it were, much in the same way images are promoted to the permanent galleries...or, is it also to 'challenge' the thinking, skill, creativity, and originality of the site members...I personally would hope it is the latter if these contests are to remain attractive and relevant to everyone.
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In your light I learn how to love. In your beauty, how to make poems. You dance inside my chest, where no one sees you, but sometimes I do, and that sight becomes this art. ~Rumi~
Hi folks, me again, and my fault again. Trees is my suggestion. But I didn't want war, just nice friendly contest, as usually. Please, no philosophy, even no Bible and religions. And again the main "judges" are +purmusic and Akeraios. What's wrong with you people? You want useless discussions? Go in politics and leave us to breathe free. A tree is subject that gives you freedom to shoot and create. And please, don't hide your complexes behind "smart" words.
OK, you wanted "Song titles"? No problem. Here are some I like.
Black Horse and The Cherry Tree, Don't Sit Under The Apple Tree, Everything Is One Big Christmas Tree, Fake Plastic Trees, Little Willow, Old Pine The Cherry Tree, Thorn Tree In The Garden, Tie A Yellow Ribbon Round The Ole Oak Tree, Weeping Willow...... There much, much more.
Have a great time
Milka
OK, you wanted "Song titles"? No problem. Here are some I like.
Black Horse and The Cherry Tree, Don't Sit Under The Apple Tree, Everything Is One Big Christmas Tree, Fake Plastic Trees, Little Willow, Old Pine The Cherry Tree, Thorn Tree In The Garden, Tie A Yellow Ribbon Round The Ole Oak Tree, Weeping Willow...... There much, much more.
Have a great time
Milka
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@ Milka:
Time and time.. and time again.. I have posted these words at the outset of the contest selection polls;
"Try to keep in mind, when suggesting a topic:
i) Open to all genres of art. Not just photography.
ii) Add a short description (one or two lines is sufficient) , so 'we' know what the artistic aim/intention of the subject matter is.
iii) Try not to repeat previous topics."
Is the above too much to ask?
Time and time.. and time again.. I have posted these words at the outset of the contest selection polls;
"Try to keep in mind, when suggesting a topic:
i) Open to all genres of art. Not just photography.
ii) Add a short description (one or two lines is sufficient) , so 'we' know what the artistic aim/intention of the subject matter is.
iii) Try not to repeat previous topics."
Is the above too much to ask?
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It's not too much, I only suggested, but there is voting, let the people vote and say what they want. I thought most of you are from the States, the most democratic country in the world, so I thought voting is democratic. When I suggested it was from my point of view and I didn't say that is a "must".
I don't remember if there was this topic before. But, again, let the people vote. It can not be always as you like it. Time and time.. and time again. The majority decides.
I don't remember if there was this topic before. But, again, let the people vote. It can not be always as you like it. Time and time.. and time again. The majority decides.
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@cynlee: The ratio of non-photographers has gone down drastically over the last few years. Just look at the main galleries then and now! Many of the computer artists have left - nearly all the CG artists. That didn't just "happen", this site has become much less hospitable for non-photographers. I'm speaking from personal experience as someone who is trying to branch out and grow artistically. I'm just trying to slow the trend here a little bit.
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"In the beginning, there was nothing. Then God said, "Let there be light". And there was still nothing but you could see it." -- Groucho Marx
For Akeraios. May I ask what does it mean a non-photographer? My language is not English, and I don't understand the meaning quite well.
Thanks a lot
Milka
Thanks a lot
Milka
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Hannah, you make a good point. I have seen the numbers of abstract artists, fractalists, etc. go down over the years. I am almost certain that there are a variety of reasons for that phenomena and I can understand your desire to see something chosen as a topic that would be conducive to having more of those who are non-photographers (for lack of a better over all terminology) here enter something into the contests.
I think that a non-photographer often times has to be more creative in coming up with an image that represents the topic chosen no matter what it is. Like you, many here are interested in "branching out and growing artistically", photographers too.
Choosing a theme for a contest where the prizes are minimal doesn't have to be a battle, but it seems it only becomes that when people start taking themselves too seriously or allow egos to enter in.
The topic discussion seemed to be flowing nicely for about a half dozen or so comments and then we were harshly informed of the errors of thinking in terms of 'trees'. I see that the particular post referred to has been altered, something we have been admonished about doing on many occasions, but nevertheless it is pleasant to see that the rhetoric has been toned down.
Milka, you are absolutly right. You did nothing wrong in suggesting 'trees' as a possible subject. Every contest suggestion poll in the past has listed a variety of possible topics to choose from and it is ultimately the majority of those who come to this thread and vote that determines the final choice.
A non-photographer is just someone who produces an image to post here that is not a photograph, but rather fits into one of the other categories at the top left of this page, such as illustrations, fractals,abstracts, computer generated art, etc.
Sometimes just a little respect goes a long, long way.
I think that a non-photographer often times has to be more creative in coming up with an image that represents the topic chosen no matter what it is. Like you, many here are interested in "branching out and growing artistically", photographers too.
Choosing a theme for a contest where the prizes are minimal doesn't have to be a battle, but it seems it only becomes that when people start taking themselves too seriously or allow egos to enter in.
The topic discussion seemed to be flowing nicely for about a half dozen or so comments and then we were harshly informed of the errors of thinking in terms of 'trees'. I see that the particular post referred to has been altered, something we have been admonished about doing on many occasions, but nevertheless it is pleasant to see that the rhetoric has been toned down.
Milka, you are absolutly right. You did nothing wrong in suggesting 'trees' as a possible subject. Every contest suggestion poll in the past has listed a variety of possible topics to choose from and it is ultimately the majority of those who come to this thread and vote that determines the final choice.
A non-photographer is just someone who produces an image to post here that is not a photograph, but rather fits into one of the other categories at the top left of this page, such as illustrations, fractals,abstracts, computer generated art, etc.
Sometimes just a little respect goes a long, long way.
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"The topic discussion seemed to be flowing nicely for about a half dozen or so comments and then we were harshly informed of the errors of thinking in terms of 'trees'."
Contest Topic Poll - "Surreal"
.cynlee - 4/09/11 22:08:
"A few boring choices."
"I'd rather look at a human face or semblance thereof than some old factory or car."
Contest Topic Poll - "Surreal"
.cynlee - 4/09/11 22:08:
"A few boring choices."
"I'd rather look at a human face or semblance thereof than some old factory or car."
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(in reference to Hanna's last comment) How about finding a way to promote non photographic images, doing extra contests that cater only to that? Do you think that would be a good option? If not, why? It seems to me that it could diffuse many differences and help cater to everyone. I ask the photographic community: Would it bother you to give up maybe every other contest to CGI etc.? Or possibly run 2 contests at once? I don't know if that might be too difficult, or too much at once for the mods. Just asking.
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Samo...samo...To me they are boring. I said so and listed an alternative. My opinion. I didn't do a semi-dissertation explaining why no one should choose them.
Can you please stop now? You are a mod. Be one.
@Les
Can you please stop now? You are a mod. Be one.
@Les
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I find your suggestion viable, Lisa. I just wonder how many CGI artists would participate.
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If not maybe more than one image from each person? I know I really wished I could enter 2 when I was trying to decide which photo to enter in "water"
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Thanks a lot, Cindy.
So, I am a non-photographer? Because this is not my profession. But I don't shoot so I can post a shot here. I did it by chance. First I was downloading wonderful photos from Caedes, and then I thought it was only fair to upload some, to show some beauties of my country. And then I found out what was Caedes. An active site. And I loved it.
I had a camera when I was 16, in high school, and my brother who is a skillful photographer taught me to copy black and white photos. Yes, I know the whole process from taking out the film from the camera till the photo is ready. But I am not a photographer, just a real amateur, who LOVES photography. At first I didn't want to make any corrections and beautifying, but then I realized that's what you wanted. And now I like doing it, but I am keeping the originals for myself, pure, untouched. I know that I'll never be in the Main Galleries, but it doesn't matter, I am in the "main galleries" of my profession. And that counts.
I can see that some of the Caedeans were not even born when I was taking and making photos. Maybe that's why I react when somebody is mixing philosophy, smart words and even religion and wants to be our "professor". But you are wrong, we are here Caedian friends, keep your "teaching" ambitions for the schools. We want to have fun here, to enjoy in our shots, and if we want professors, we know where to find them. And I agree with Cindy, at least little respect for everybody. Nothing personal.
Have fun and let the best win. Although... Frankly, my dear, I don't give a dam. ("Gone with the Wind") LOL
So, I am a non-photographer? Because this is not my profession. But I don't shoot so I can post a shot here. I did it by chance. First I was downloading wonderful photos from Caedes, and then I thought it was only fair to upload some, to show some beauties of my country. And then I found out what was Caedes. An active site. And I loved it.
I had a camera when I was 16, in high school, and my brother who is a skillful photographer taught me to copy black and white photos. Yes, I know the whole process from taking out the film from the camera till the photo is ready. But I am not a photographer, just a real amateur, who LOVES photography. At first I didn't want to make any corrections and beautifying, but then I realized that's what you wanted. And now I like doing it, but I am keeping the originals for myself, pure, untouched. I know that I'll never be in the Main Galleries, but it doesn't matter, I am in the "main galleries" of my profession. And that counts.
I can see that some of the Caedeans were not even born when I was taking and making photos. Maybe that's why I react when somebody is mixing philosophy, smart words and even religion and wants to be our "professor". But you are wrong, we are here Caedian friends, keep your "teaching" ambitions for the schools. We want to have fun here, to enjoy in our shots, and if we want professors, we know where to find them. And I agree with Cindy, at least little respect for everybody. Nothing personal.
Have fun and let the best win. Although... Frankly, my dear, I don't give a dam. ("Gone with the Wind") LOL
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Good good idea/suggestion, Lisa.
For your consideration, time and opportunity permitting..
"Contests"
And then there is still a poll running where you can put your idea/thought up as a suggestion for change(s) to the site ... "What feature or change would you most like for caedes.net?"
Did have the thought about returning Contests to how they were run in the distant past. That of; having separate categories/winners for Photography, CGI, Photo-manipulation, etc..
Although, as I made mention to someone else.. it might be that these separate categories were eliminated due to the decreasing number of entries and their respective categories that existed once upon a time.
Hopefully, something does change though.
As it usually turns out.. might be too much to ask from the membership itself. Necessitating a change from this side of the administrative fence instead.
For your consideration, time and opportunity permitting..
"Contests"
And then there is still a poll running where you can put your idea/thought up as a suggestion for change(s) to the site ... "What feature or change would you most like for caedes.net?"
Did have the thought about returning Contests to how they were run in the distant past. That of; having separate categories/winners for Photography, CGI, Photo-manipulation, etc..
Although, as I made mention to someone else.. it might be that these separate categories were eliminated due to the decreasing number of entries and their respective categories that existed once upon a time.
Hopefully, something does change though.
As it usually turns out.. might be too much to ask from the membership itself. Necessitating a change from this side of the administrative fence instead.
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"Just so you know, Les, if you come attacking me for my ideas, I am going to come back and show you the error of your ways. Make no mistake about that."
"The topic discussion seemed to be flowing nicely for about a half dozen or so comments and then we were harshly informed of the errors of thinking in terms of 'trees'."
Contest Topic Poll - "Surreal"
.cynlee - 4/09/11 22:08:
"A few boring choices."
"I'd rather look at a human face or semblance thereof than some old factory or car."
/\ I merely pointed out some inconsistencies in your approach to moderating everyone else's thoughts expressed. And thought, I would return the flavour.
"The topic discussion seemed to be flowing nicely for about a half dozen or so comments and then we were harshly informed of the errors of thinking in terms of 'trees'."
Contest Topic Poll - "Surreal"
.cynlee - 4/09/11 22:08:
"A few boring choices."
"I'd rather look at a human face or semblance thereof than some old factory or car."
/\ I merely pointed out some inconsistencies in your approach to moderating everyone else's thoughts expressed. And thought, I would return the flavour.
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Thanks a lot, Cindy, you are very kind, now I know that, too. Because some of the "big" photographers "inspired" me to see some more of their photos and I saw... nothing special. Obviously I was overestimating them. I usually watch the shots and I don't see who shot them, except for my friends, and I didn't think it was important, either I like them or not. And I still think so.
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@Les. I thought I asked that you stop the nonsense. I already explained that it was no more than an opinion, not a book. Must we dwell on it? My approach, as you put it, was not to tear down the suggestion, just state an opinion. If you have any more to say to me on this issue, please do it in a PM so as not to futher disturb the discussion here. Thank you.
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Wow, I can see that +purmusic is a grudge-bearer, Cindy. He takes no prisoners. Please, don't go in PM, he is becoming interesting and funny (not haha), it's not disturbing at all. At least not for me.
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Milka, I must say, I dig your sense of humor, lol...i.e.
"OK, you wanted "Song titles"? No problem. Here are some I like.
Black Horse and The Cherry Tree, Don't Sit Under The Apple Tree, Everything Is One Big Christmas Tree, Fake Plastic Trees, Little Willow, Old Pine The Cherry Tree, Thorn Tree In The Garden, Tie A Yellow Ribbon Round The Ole Oak Tree, Weeping Willow...... There much, much more."
"OK, you wanted "Song titles"? No problem. Here are some I like.
Black Horse and The Cherry Tree, Don't Sit Under The Apple Tree, Everything Is One Big Christmas Tree, Fake Plastic Trees, Little Willow, Old Pine The Cherry Tree, Thorn Tree In The Garden, Tie A Yellow Ribbon Round The Ole Oak Tree, Weeping Willow...... There much, much more."
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In your light I learn how to love. In your beauty, how to make poems. You dance inside my chest, where no one sees you, but sometimes I do, and that sight becomes this art. ~Rumi~
Dont forget “Lumberjack” – this Monty Python tune is a spoof on lumberjacks. The song in conjunction with the comedy skit is hilarious." Try and photograph that one!
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I think im having amnesia and deja vu at the same time - I think I have forgotten this before.
I talk to the trees
But they don't listen to me . . . . .
:)
But they don't listen to me . . . . .
:)
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
OK, Paul, but first I have to find some lumberjack and shoot him. It's difficult, I'll have to go in the woods. Funny or not, I'll shoot something/somebody as the title says. And here I am in the contest trees/song title. Beware, folks!
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Yes, Lyn, me too, but that's not the problem. The bigger problem is that the people don't listen neither. LOL
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I feel like I've read a book and have not even looked at the topics yet... Okay, just looked and someone actually put up "Not Trees" as a suggestion? Wow. I know I just got out of the hospital but I have a tiny portion of sense and respect that they left in my brain when the extracted Little Timmy Tumor.
I think Akeraios list speaks volumes. A title as "Landscapes" can certainly be interpreted, but really, it screams photography.
What happened to "Blue Rule of Thirds?" Wide open for anything.
People was the hardest contest I've judged yet in my short career here - but look at the ratio of entries.
Look at the title of this site; "Caedes desktop wallpaper," not Caedes Photography (and I love photography remember), not Caedes CGI Haven and not Caedes Demands Digital.
I am all about democratic voting but the stats reveal a problem with attracting members outside of the photography realm. I am here because I like the people and the honesty of their work. We are a privately owned, moderated site and as such the VB was removed in an honest effort to promote creativity....
I think Akeraios list speaks volumes. A title as "Landscapes" can certainly be interpreted, but really, it screams photography.
What happened to "Blue Rule of Thirds?" Wide open for anything.
People was the hardest contest I've judged yet in my short career here - but look at the ratio of entries.
Look at the title of this site; "Caedes desktop wallpaper," not Caedes Photography (and I love photography remember), not Caedes CGI Haven and not Caedes Demands Digital.
I am all about democratic voting but the stats reveal a problem with attracting members outside of the photography realm. I am here because I like the people and the honesty of their work. We are a privately owned, moderated site and as such the VB was removed in an honest effort to promote creativity....
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Emptiness is not nothingness. It is simply the opposite of full of it.
I'm on a roll here. Personally I would moderate the site suggestions but that is not very democratic, is it? We should moderate ourselves as a democratic community with our "Site Gods" watching lovingly over the wonderful community of artists they have assembled and do what they can to keep things on track. THAT is a job I would not enjoy - just look at the grief Les has taken in this one thread alone.
Let's just please try to select topics that lend creativity over a variety of mediums. Tolkien-Esque was the last one I submitted to because of the way my brain works. All mediums work within that title and the ratio reflects that.
So come on folks. Lets us grasp our brushes, pens, shutter releases and mice and get creative. We are artists!! We are not English majors!! We are not all photographers!! We are Devo!! lol.
Seriously, let's just have fun - I don't make any money at any of this. I only make friends and get to dabble in some creative art that I would not otherwise be able to play with.
In all respect,
Michael
Let's just please try to select topics that lend creativity over a variety of mediums. Tolkien-Esque was the last one I submitted to because of the way my brain works. All mediums work within that title and the ratio reflects that.
So come on folks. Lets us grasp our brushes, pens, shutter releases and mice and get creative. We are artists!! We are not English majors!! We are not all photographers!! We are Devo!! lol.
Seriously, let's just have fun - I don't make any money at any of this. I only make friends and get to dabble in some creative art that I would not otherwise be able to play with.
In all respect,
Michael
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Emptiness is not nothingness. It is simply the opposite of full of it.
I agree with Mike, everybody should suggest a topic. Why are so passive, why don't you suggest anything and when somebody suggests a topic, you want to kill him/her. I have an impression that you are waiting for somebody to suggest a topic and then you have a reason to argue. I wouldn't say that you are afraid, because nobody knows who is suggesting what. Except if somebody "stupid" like me "admits guilt" and gets critics an anger from the others. So, come on, let's rock, or was it rumba? LOL
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Here are the last four PMs I received:
Personal message from cynlee [ 26/10/11 17:23 ]:
"Well, thank you, Moses."
Personal message from cynlee [ 10/08/11 11:19 ]:
"You, sir, are inhuman and the biggest hypocrite I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. Your ears should be ringing because you are not very well thought of in so many corners.
I am sorry that life may not have been as you would have liked, but that is still no excuse to be an a**hole to everyone!
Sincerely,
Cindy"
Personal message from cynlee [ 30/06/11 21:01 ]:
"And by definition an opinion is:
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. "a personal view", attitude, or appraisal."
And you certainly have many of those....".
Personal message from cynlee [ 30/06/11 20:44 ]:
"Nice of you to end on your terms only. *** was upset from the get go. And my comments to you will end when I don't have any more to say to you, which I don't."
I've edited a couple words in the above PMs. As I was reminded on this discussion thread that some words are 'not nice'.
Discuss further in a PM?
Why would I, given how you conduct yourself behind a 'veil of secrecy'?
Personal message from cynlee [ 26/10/11 17:23 ]:
"Well, thank you, Moses."
Personal message from cynlee [ 10/08/11 11:19 ]:
"You, sir, are inhuman and the biggest hypocrite I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. Your ears should be ringing because you are not very well thought of in so many corners.
I am sorry that life may not have been as you would have liked, but that is still no excuse to be an a**hole to everyone!
Sincerely,
Cindy"
Personal message from cynlee [ 30/06/11 21:01 ]:
"And by definition an opinion is:
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. "a personal view", attitude, or appraisal."
And you certainly have many of those....".
Personal message from cynlee [ 30/06/11 20:44 ]:
"Nice of you to end on your terms only. *** was upset from the get go. And my comments to you will end when I don't have any more to say to you, which I don't."
I've edited a couple words in the above PMs. As I was reminded on this discussion thread that some words are 'not nice'.
Discuss further in a PM?
Why would I, given how you conduct yourself behind a 'veil of secrecy'?
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@ Milka:
The whole point of this, is this:
If left to the 'majority'.. the artists that do their work in the the C.omputer G.enerated. I.mage field ... would..never..get..a..say in these contests.
If.. the number of artists on each side, 'non-photographers' and that of 'photographers' was equal.. sure.
But, the numbers are not.
I believe 'we' (meaning; all members/this community) should work towards keeping these contest topic selection polls fair for all.
And.. if at all possible, although this is my personal opinion ... challenging.
So, the question is.. do 'you' (speaking generally here, no one in particular) wish to see more of these artists leave the site?
How would 'you' feel about the contests if for the next while the Contest topics were:
1) Grand Julian.
2) Use the Splits Variation to produce a flame.
3) Two transforms, and two only.
4) Use a night time atmosphere in your piece.
5) Ice World Terrains.
And so on.
How would 'you' feel? Still think it is fair?
Respect? Sure, I can do that.
As the saying goes though.. it is a two-way street.
The whole point of this, is this:
If left to the 'majority'.. the artists that do their work in the the C.omputer G.enerated. I.mage field ... would..never..get..a..say in these contests.
If.. the number of artists on each side, 'non-photographers' and that of 'photographers' was equal.. sure.
But, the numbers are not.
I believe 'we' (meaning; all members/this community) should work towards keeping these contest topic selection polls fair for all.
And.. if at all possible, although this is my personal opinion ... challenging.
So, the question is.. do 'you' (speaking generally here, no one in particular) wish to see more of these artists leave the site?
How would 'you' feel about the contests if for the next while the Contest topics were:
1) Grand Julian.
2) Use the Splits Variation to produce a flame.
3) Two transforms, and two only.
4) Use a night time atmosphere in your piece.
5) Ice World Terrains.
And so on.
How would 'you' feel? Still think it is fair?
Respect? Sure, I can do that.
As the saying goes though.. it is a two-way street.
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I guess the member who said you are a bearer of grudges was right. Those are old PMs. Too bad you never took any of them to heart. Ask the membership and you will find that you are alone in being the only individual that I ever felt less than cordial towards. Yes, I am not the only member who has had unhappy dealings with you but at least I told you privately and upfront. I believe you did exactly as I knew you would and made a public spectacle of yourself. Do you really think anyone will want to tell you anything in privacy any more knowing that you harbor resentment and are saving their words to call forth in revenge when your ego has sufffered a blow? I really do pity you, Les. I asked you to keep it private , but then you always have it your way anyway, don't you?
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Sorry, I didn't read the first part, those are personal messages with Cindy, and if you don't know, I know what "personal" means. And you are not fair for that.
I read the second part, I agree, you suggest what you want, the others will suggest what they want and we'll decide together. Togetherness, remember? I didn't say you should be the only one who should suggest.
It's pity, in English you never know when you mean you as singular and you as plural, so there are misunderstandings. This time I didn't mean you as Les, but you as Caedeans.
You think that somebody would leave the site because of the contest? Oh, be real. Everybody is free to post whatever he/she wants.
And, you speak about respect that should go two ways? So, what is your respect for Cindy? In what direction goes that "respect"?
I read the second part, I agree, you suggest what you want, the others will suggest what they want and we'll decide together. Togetherness, remember? I didn't say you should be the only one who should suggest.
It's pity, in English you never know when you mean you as singular and you as plural, so there are misunderstandings. This time I didn't mean you as Les, but you as Caedeans.
You think that somebody would leave the site because of the contest? Oh, be real. Everybody is free to post whatever he/she wants.
And, you speak about respect that should go two ways? So, what is your respect for Cindy? In what direction goes that "respect"?
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STOP
1.to cease from, leave off, or discontinue
PLEASE
1. If it is your desire or pleasure; if you please
It would seem you have no intention of doing so, but I am going to ask you one more time. No one wants to see or hear you or I air dirty laundry and it IS being VERY DISRUPTIVE to the intention of this thread. In times past, the thread would have been pulled (by you) for far less than these horrible personal attacks, so look who's calling who a hypocrite. PLEASE STOP!
This is not a game. There are no winners. You are not worth having a further discussion with either publicly or privately if you are going to act like this, behaviour most unbecoming for someone who considers himself a moderator.
The End.
1.to cease from, leave off, or discontinue
PLEASE
1. If it is your desire or pleasure; if you please
It would seem you have no intention of doing so, but I am going to ask you one more time. No one wants to see or hear you or I air dirty laundry and it IS being VERY DISRUPTIVE to the intention of this thread. In times past, the thread would have been pulled (by you) for far less than these horrible personal attacks, so look who's calling who a hypocrite. PLEASE STOP!
This is not a game. There are no winners. You are not worth having a further discussion with either publicly or privately if you are going to act like this, behaviour most unbecoming for someone who considers himself a moderator.
The End.
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Again our "professor". I know what it means, you don't have to "send" me there, there are people who have university diplomas. Be careful with your behavior, this site has members from all over the world. Don't disgrace your country in front of us non-Americans.
I didn't read the messages, I have my honor. And please, we are not your students, have respect, as you like to mention that very often. You act like an intellectual, you hide yourself behind "high" words, but I can see your complexes. Sorry to say, but you are a big disappointment for me. I am happy that you are not a typical representative of your country. So, I'll go on liking and loving my Caedeans.
I didn't read the messages, I have my honor. And please, we are not your students, have respect, as you like to mention that very often. You act like an intellectual, you hide yourself behind "high" words, but I can see your complexes. Sorry to say, but you are a big disappointment for me. I am happy that you are not a typical representative of your country. So, I'll go on liking and loving my Caedeans.
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Thank-you Les for acknowledging my suggestion respectfully. Much appreciated. I understand and agree that it belongs in a different thread because it is not precisely for this topic. But posting personal messages IS on this topic?! really? Maybe if you showed Cindy and the others the same respect you ended up showing me in our personal messages you wouldn't receive such personal messages or negative responses. So why don't we try to start over...
with possibly explaining to the photographers what would be some good topics that would be conducive for all artists, since that seems to be the primary subjective. Please explain in more detail of why it would be conducive for CGI artists, because if other photographers are like me they haven't the slightest clue of what it takes to do a CGI image or what would be a compatible topic for it and photography.
Let's all try to be nice to each other and say things that won't offend. Please. I appreciate democracy but for it to be successful the leaders in congress must be diplomatic. The mods are our congress here. So Les? or any CGI artist? Will you please explain so some can have a better understanding of what is needed to create some balance in the topic issues:
with possibly explaining to the photographers what would be some good topics that would be conducive for all artists, since that seems to be the primary subjective. Please explain in more detail of why it would be conducive for CGI artists, because if other photographers are like me they haven't the slightest clue of what it takes to do a CGI image or what would be a compatible topic for it and photography.
Let's all try to be nice to each other and say things that won't offend. Please. I appreciate democracy but for it to be successful the leaders in congress must be diplomatic. The mods are our congress here. So Les? or any CGI artist? Will you please explain so some can have a better understanding of what is needed to create some balance in the topic issues:
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Clearly this discussion has taken an unfortunate turn for the worse. I have no interest in discussing blame, there is plenty to spread around.
What I do have an interest in is:
A) Calling for everybody to take 5, let go of what has been said above, and return to a calm discussion, and
B) Supporting the call for ideas to be CGI artist friendly. Not simply doable, but friendly, encouraging. Many categories are just vastly easier to capture in photography, to an extent that is simply not possible without a longer lead time in CGI. Personally, I haven't taken the time to draw something in quite a while, but I will tell you that it took me no less than 8 hours to create even the most basic of the images you will find (and the reason for some of the less-than-successful) in my gallery (except for that paintbrush one). Most often, that time was spread over several days as I did what I had the time available for at the time. It is easier to deal with execution if conception is an easier translation, with more immediately available to mine.
So I support this call, to take into account the CGI artists on our site, who are indeed a minority here, and make them feel equally welcome and supported as members of the community.
The primary way I suggest doing this is to think about what a CGI artist might be capable of doing, and how hard it would be to do. What concepts can you think of to do in CGI, if you were a CGI artist? How well do you think those would fare against photography of the same subject?
My file has finished saving and I have to go back to making pretty toyboxes at the moment, but later, I will post some ideas for contest topics that I think would serve for "instant mining" and creative thinking (if one wants to) on both the photography and CG sides.
What I do have an interest in is:
A) Calling for everybody to take 5, let go of what has been said above, and return to a calm discussion, and
B) Supporting the call for ideas to be CGI artist friendly. Not simply doable, but friendly, encouraging. Many categories are just vastly easier to capture in photography, to an extent that is simply not possible without a longer lead time in CGI. Personally, I haven't taken the time to draw something in quite a while, but I will tell you that it took me no less than 8 hours to create even the most basic of the images you will find (and the reason for some of the less-than-successful) in my gallery (except for that paintbrush one). Most often, that time was spread over several days as I did what I had the time available for at the time. It is easier to deal with execution if conception is an easier translation, with more immediately available to mine.
So I support this call, to take into account the CGI artists on our site, who are indeed a minority here, and make them feel equally welcome and supported as members of the community.
The primary way I suggest doing this is to think about what a CGI artist might be capable of doing, and how hard it would be to do. What concepts can you think of to do in CGI, if you were a CGI artist? How well do you think those would fare against photography of the same subject?
My file has finished saving and I have to go back to making pretty toyboxes at the moment, but later, I will post some ideas for contest topics that I think would serve for "instant mining" and creative thinking (if one wants to) on both the photography and CG sides.
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P.S. As a start in "thinking about CGI artists" - I ask that you take the time, to look at the Fractals gallery under abstract, and think about how each category in the current topic poll might be interpreted as a fractal.
You don't have to be capable of drawing the lines yourself, just visualizing the end result, based on what other images in that gallery look like. I'd take it as a personal favor from anyone who would be willing to put in this time, and discuss their conclusions.
You don't have to be capable of drawing the lines yourself, just visualizing the end result, based on what other images in that gallery look like. I'd take it as a personal favor from anyone who would be willing to put in this time, and discuss their conclusions.
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I added a new topic ... "Common Ground". It's one I've had in my head for some time ... no pun intended to the above discussion, so DO NOT take offense.
Common Ground ... Area of agreement : something mutually agreed upon, especially as a basis for negotiation.
Some synonyms of Common Ground ... overlay, intersection / intersecting, edge, join, connection, similarity, & commonality.
I will let everyone know where I'm going with this topic once the next contest is complete.
For now ... some food for thought.
My brain works in mysterious ways ... sometimes. :-)
Common Ground ... Area of agreement : something mutually agreed upon, especially as a basis for negotiation.
Some synonyms of Common Ground ... overlay, intersection / intersecting, edge, join, connection, similarity, & commonality.
I will let everyone know where I'm going with this topic once the next contest is complete.
For now ... some food for thought.
My brain works in mysterious ways ... sometimes. :-)
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"My brain works in mysterious ways" ..So does my wifes but I just tag along..R.
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Could not the whole debate and subsequent argument be settled by alternate polls for photog and non-photog members. Contests still open to all .
Suggestions to be made with due regard by both factions for all inclusiveness.
To qualify to suggest and vote topic a minimum of 10 images uploaded in the area be required.
No discussion to follow - just a reasonable explanation of suggested topic.
Suggestions to be made with due regard by both factions for all inclusiveness.
To qualify to suggest and vote topic a minimum of 10 images uploaded in the area be required.
No discussion to follow - just a reasonable explanation of suggested topic.
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Lyn, it looks like Geri's pretty busy right now and hasn't had much time to do stuff on the site, so I think that whatever we come up with, we have to essentially address it as a community working with each other and the tools in place.
I think however, that it would probably help for such suggestions to be framed positively. Rather than "Oh great, I see this going the way of all the other contests, the CG artists are out in left field with most of these topics!", something that says "I think that would be hard for a CG artist, I like that idea, but can we modify it to something that would work for them." or "Can you explain how you see that working for CG artists?" - for all we know, they may have an idea the CG artists can run with, and they should be given the opportunity to explain that.
I think however, that it would probably help for such suggestions to be framed positively. Rather than "Oh great, I see this going the way of all the other contests, the CG artists are out in left field with most of these topics!", something that says "I think that would be hard for a CG artist, I like that idea, but can we modify it to something that would work for them." or "Can you explain how you see that working for CG artists?" - for all we know, they may have an idea the CG artists can run with, and they should be given the opportunity to explain that.
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Okay, posting some ideas I think here that work for both sides, pushing creativity also.
One thing to think about is whether translating/representing the topic you pick requires a CG artist to be detailed. Detail is great, but the more detail needed to portray something like a landscape (unless you're going with a basic kid's drawing here...), the harder it is.
"Breaking Boundaries" - in photography, this can be portrayed via things that cross lines, or simply things that break up a scene in an unexpected way. A flower poking through snow, a basketball player in the middle of a jump, a child with a hand in the water - breaking the surface of the water, a car driving off the road, there's so much to mine there. For CG - simple enough to create "shapes" and have other shapes visually breaking the plane of those shapes. The better you carry off a "story" in the breaking, the better.
"Movement" - photography - capturing something in motion, conveying the motion of the thing. CG/abstract - again, the flow of the lines, and how they move.
"Adornments" - photography - okay, what is it? Is it the snow on the tree branches, the shop window, a pile of jewelry, a shot of a woman in profile showing an almost abstract shot of the line of her earring across her jaw, the extra touches on a table place setting, a stencil on a wall, etc. CG - for a fractalist, it might be the light bursts, for an illustrator, it might be a line of paper dolls and an outfit in the process of being clipped on, others may wish to render gems, or simply images that call attention to specific shapes that are "adorning" the background plane of the image.
I got more but I'm stopping there. When you get me on a roll... (no butter please... 8•P)
One thing to think about is whether translating/representing the topic you pick requires a CG artist to be detailed. Detail is great, but the more detail needed to portray something like a landscape (unless you're going with a basic kid's drawing here...), the harder it is.
"Breaking Boundaries" - in photography, this can be portrayed via things that cross lines, or simply things that break up a scene in an unexpected way. A flower poking through snow, a basketball player in the middle of a jump, a child with a hand in the water - breaking the surface of the water, a car driving off the road, there's so much to mine there. For CG - simple enough to create "shapes" and have other shapes visually breaking the plane of those shapes. The better you carry off a "story" in the breaking, the better.
"Movement" - photography - capturing something in motion, conveying the motion of the thing. CG/abstract - again, the flow of the lines, and how they move.
"Adornments" - photography - okay, what is it? Is it the snow on the tree branches, the shop window, a pile of jewelry, a shot of a woman in profile showing an almost abstract shot of the line of her earring across her jaw, the extra touches on a table place setting, a stencil on a wall, etc. CG - for a fractalist, it might be the light bursts, for an illustrator, it might be a line of paper dolls and an outfit in the process of being clipped on, others may wish to render gems, or simply images that call attention to specific shapes that are "adorning" the background plane of the image.
I got more but I'm stopping there. When you get me on a roll... (no butter please... 8•P)
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Of the twelve listed topics at this point I see eight that could easily be interpreted across any artistic medium - including music if that were available :) The name calling, finger pointing, public PM's (???), and accusations don't help matters at all.
I was keeping this somewhat quiet, but I just got home from the ICU at Vanderbilt hospital where I had an Olfactory Neuroblastoma removed from my brain (just under it fortunately) through my nose. It was not fun and it is not over. I am not giving up due to my wonderful wife and supportive son. What I am doing is sitting here typing a message to a community that I have a lot of respect for. PLEASE stop with the arguing over selfish issues!
Temps are obviously high (duh!), cultures involved on Caedes are widely varied, talents are ranged from beginners to professionals. We can and we must work together for the sake of art's growth. Yes, photography, paint, charcoals, colored pencils, Bryce, Apophysis, and,... and,... can all contribute to the positive growth of everyone here - even the dang flamers can learn something if we get along, could we not?
"Common Ground" seems a perfect topic for reconciliation. I just don't know if I currently have the energy (or have just too many recovery drugs in me) to pull this one off). But I KNOW I don't have the energy to see this place fall apart. Let's just please have some fun on Caedes.
Cynlee and Les: You are both wonderful artists - different, but great talents in both of you. Please start your relationship here over. It's the art, not the fart - unless the tone of the fart is pleasing and I mean pleasing enough to get over the aroma. :)
I have now earned the new blues name of Mike "Tumorless Head" Willie.
I was keeping this somewhat quiet, but I just got home from the ICU at Vanderbilt hospital where I had an Olfactory Neuroblastoma removed from my brain (just under it fortunately) through my nose. It was not fun and it is not over. I am not giving up due to my wonderful wife and supportive son. What I am doing is sitting here typing a message to a community that I have a lot of respect for. PLEASE stop with the arguing over selfish issues!
Temps are obviously high (duh!), cultures involved on Caedes are widely varied, talents are ranged from beginners to professionals. We can and we must work together for the sake of art's growth. Yes, photography, paint, charcoals, colored pencils, Bryce, Apophysis, and,... and,... can all contribute to the positive growth of everyone here - even the dang flamers can learn something if we get along, could we not?
"Common Ground" seems a perfect topic for reconciliation. I just don't know if I currently have the energy (or have just too many recovery drugs in me) to pull this one off). But I KNOW I don't have the energy to see this place fall apart. Let's just please have some fun on Caedes.
Cynlee and Les: You are both wonderful artists - different, but great talents in both of you. Please start your relationship here over. It's the art, not the fart - unless the tone of the fart is pleasing and I mean pleasing enough to get over the aroma. :)
I have now earned the new blues name of Mike "Tumorless Head" Willie.
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I see several of the posted ones that could work also - obviously there are always going to be some posted that aren't fully thought through, so it would be nice if we could discuss what could be done with a topic that both sides could participate in, and perhaps place just as big an emphasis on taking care in considering the other side when voting for a topic.
Trees - which is winning right now - would seem to be one of the hardest ones to translate on the CG side, even though there are possibilities.
P.S. Yikes Flim, feel better fast!
Trees - which is winning right now - would seem to be one of the hardest ones to translate on the CG side, even though there are possibilities.
P.S. Yikes Flim, feel better fast!
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Thanks Anim, things are looking up. Waiting on path results but prognosis is good so far.
There are some good topics here. Looks like Trees has got it this time but that's okay. I was speaking more to the future. I'm not very good at any of the art I dabble in here, I just have fun and enjoy getting feedback from some of the real artists here. Such potential.
There are some good topics here. Looks like Trees has got it this time but that's okay. I was speaking more to the future. I'm not very good at any of the art I dabble in here, I just have fun and enjoy getting feedback from some of the real artists here. Such potential.
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Emptiness is not nothingness. It is simply the opposite of full of it.
"Trees - which is winning right now - would seem to be one of the hardest ones to translate on the CG side, even though there are possibilities."
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Unless you misspelled trees and used threes :)
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Right Lyn, that's exactly what I mean. It *is* doable - but look at the level of detail needed to draw a tree - or at least any of the better representations there. To first visualize and then have the time to execute a concept within 3 weeks is harder than "Flowing Motion" or "Common Ground" or "Squares" would be.
Maybe it makes more sense if I break it down this way - Every line that goes in a different direction, every dot or series of dots is another item of detail. The things that create differing surfaces, texture, lighting - every bit of those is another item of detail in order to create something that is recognizable as a tree. Your link is a good visual representation of how much detail - how many lines and dots and shading differences - is needed to create "tree". Obviously, in general, the higher the level of detail, the more time it takes to execute.
When you compare that amount of detail for trees to the other topics, does it seem to you to be one of the easier ones to execute for a CG artist? Is it as easy comparatively as it is for a photographer? There will always be a difference, I'm just talking about comparative effort. If we considered the topic "Deserts" that would be harder for many photographers due to issues of location than trees are. While Deserts would be much easier for a CG artist (so much can be done with gradients for shading over a broader expanse), I would not consider that as accessible to photographers on a comparative scale. Although man - the images we could get from a "Deserts" topic. I drool in my imagination. lol. Anyways, I hope this gives a better understanding of what I'm looking at and seeing when going through the topics.
Maybe it makes more sense if I break it down this way - Every line that goes in a different direction, every dot or series of dots is another item of detail. The things that create differing surfaces, texture, lighting - every bit of those is another item of detail in order to create something that is recognizable as a tree. Your link is a good visual representation of how much detail - how many lines and dots and shading differences - is needed to create "tree". Obviously, in general, the higher the level of detail, the more time it takes to execute.
When you compare that amount of detail for trees to the other topics, does it seem to you to be one of the easier ones to execute for a CG artist? Is it as easy comparatively as it is for a photographer? There will always be a difference, I'm just talking about comparative effort. If we considered the topic "Deserts" that would be harder for many photographers due to issues of location than trees are. While Deserts would be much easier for a CG artist (so much can be done with gradients for shading over a broader expanse), I would not consider that as accessible to photographers on a comparative scale. Although man - the images we could get from a "Deserts" topic. I drool in my imagination. lol. Anyways, I hope this gives a better understanding of what I'm looking at and seeing when going through the topics.
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Doesn't take much to create a computer generated or illustrated tree. It can be as simple or as complicated as one wants to make it or represent it. I remember drawing trees in early grade school. It wasn't elaborate. It has a trunk and branches at the top and maybe some leaves. If a child can represent a tree, why not a CGI artist or a fractalist? I just don't see how it is that complicated. A few examples Abstract, computer and fractal art are more representational than photography by nature. You are saying trees are too much of a challenge as opposed to Les' idea that trees are not a challenge.
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Personally, I do not feel that the simplicity of drawing that is achieved by a child's drawing is a good basis for what is enterable in a contest as a composed and considered work of art.
I'm pretty sure I just made up the word "enterable", but since it works, it is now a valid word in the English language.
I'm pretty sure I just made up the word "enterable", but since it works, it is now a valid word in the English language.
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HERE is a fractal tree from my gallery. Sure, so do something better than a child's drawing. Shouldn't be difficult. Many fractal trees.
Computer generated trees.
Computer generated trees.
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Yes, again, I did not say it was not doable. I asked to consider whether it was as easily doable for computer artist as it is for a photographer on a comparative scale of how long such a thing normally takes each one.
I am not denying that it is possible to do, and that is not what I am addressing.
I am not denying that it is possible to do, and that is not what I am addressing.
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I'll bid you all good night for the evening. I'm off to watch a friend freeze his rear off in a race in the morning and I'm ready for bed. 8•)
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Ok. It's doable, but in answer to your question to consider, I think it is as easily doable as some other topic that might be suggested. To me a tree is a more visual and tangible concept than say "breaking boundaries". As a photographer, I think I might be able to handle concepts such as "breaking boundaries", but I think that would be open to a plentitude of interpretations and maybe even a little more difficult to interpret for a photographer. I suppose there too it would depend on the photographer. There are so many images that are fractals or computer generated that break boundaries all the time.
As to the time factor, that depends on the artist, fractalist photographer, etc.. Photographers do and can spend a lot of time on one image though it may not seem so and I know that I have grown frustrated trying to create with Mandelbulb and Apophysis because I couldn't develop exactly what I had in mind or it took a lot of time to render.
I introduced some examples only because it seems that the choice for the next contest is headed in the direction of trees and the links would give some an idea of what is possible or has been done without having to google them.
As to the time factor, that depends on the artist, fractalist photographer, etc.. Photographers do and can spend a lot of time on one image though it may not seem so and I know that I have grown frustrated trying to create with Mandelbulb and Apophysis because I couldn't develop exactly what I had in mind or it took a lot of time to render.
I introduced some examples only because it seems that the choice for the next contest is headed in the direction of trees and the links would give some an idea of what is possible or has been done without having to google them.
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This is all getting too complicated for me to follow!
First page - Main Galleries - 12 images - nine feature trees.
One of the best (imo) Abstract trees features on the first page of Abstract Main Gallery.
From an ousiders view it would appear to be a popular CGI subject, but many of us do not understand what is involved, just as some imagine a photograph is no more than a click of a shutter.
A caedes wallpaper search 'computer trees' shows many more. Even searching 'computer desert' shows many with trees included.
I am not pushing trees, I did not vote for trees but I am a simple soul and just dont understand the kerfuffle. If trees wins and someone does not like the subject they do not have to enter the contest - there will be another one in a few weeks.
I favour 'concepts' rather than 'things' in topics but like everyone else I get the chance to vote, and appreciate all suggestions.
For my idea for alternating topic suggestions(above) I did not envisage requiring any changes -surely that could be organised without? Most of us can count whether we have 10 images in a certain category? -and we are identified when giving the explanation - if the mods decide they do not qualify the topic is removed.
So much for my brilliant suggestion ! Perhaps it is just toooo simple - like me.
:)
I would be happy with desert - none in this country where I live but could fake one with a camera - Desert = "Arid land with little or no vegetation"
Does not have to be sand and mirages -
First page - Main Galleries - 12 images - nine feature trees.
One of the best (imo) Abstract trees features on the first page of Abstract Main Gallery.
From an ousiders view it would appear to be a popular CGI subject, but many of us do not understand what is involved, just as some imagine a photograph is no more than a click of a shutter.
A caedes wallpaper search 'computer trees' shows many more. Even searching 'computer desert' shows many with trees included.
I am not pushing trees, I did not vote for trees but I am a simple soul and just dont understand the kerfuffle. If trees wins and someone does not like the subject they do not have to enter the contest - there will be another one in a few weeks.
I favour 'concepts' rather than 'things' in topics but like everyone else I get the chance to vote, and appreciate all suggestions.
For my idea for alternating topic suggestions(above) I did not envisage requiring any changes -surely that could be organised without? Most of us can count whether we have 10 images in a certain category? -and we are identified when giving the explanation - if the mods decide they do not qualify the topic is removed.
So much for my brilliant suggestion ! Perhaps it is just toooo simple - like me.
:)
I would be happy with desert - none in this country where I live but could fake one with a camera - Desert = "Arid land with little or no vegetation"
Does not have to be sand and mirages -
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