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Time Stood Still Uploaded: 03/20/15 6:30 PM GMT

Image: Time Stood Still

This has been a couple of weeks in the works. Bryce/Apophisys/Photoshop. The lighting was the hardest thing to position just right. A spotlight shooting up through the floor created a nice ambience under the clock. A couple of other carefully placed spotlights and strategic global lights. The wisp around the staff was an Apophisys render.

Enjoy.


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.tsarb
10/13/08 11:16 PM GMT
thnx a lot for your comments on"strange visitor"
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.toetsie
10/15/08 5:04 PM GMT
Thanks Mike for the nice comment on -Blue dream-
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Be Happy..Toetsie..
.indian
10/15/08 8:31 PM GMT
Mike,
Thanks for taking the time and commenting on after the sunset
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"Nothing is more exhilarating than pointing out the shortcomings of others".
::joeysparadise
10/17/08 9:34 PM GMT
Hey Mike!

Thanks for your comments!
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"Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better" - Albert Einstein - There's a temporary problem with the service. Please try again. If you continue to get this message, try again later.
&purmusic
10/17/08 11:15 PM GMT
Hey Mike,

Re: "Hallowed Halls".

And I quote, you that is:

"It's a bronze... thing with little bronze... other things stuck on it which complements the bronze... dohickeys"

I could not ... could not ... would not? ... have said it any better myself.

:oD

Lol, thanks for taking the time to view and comment. I sincerely appreciate it.

Hope my words here find you and yours doing well. :o)

Les.
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"Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi
.photonut
10/21/08 2:32 AM GMT
Hello Mike, thank you for your comment on my shot "Fremont Street". Very much appreciated. Your right, it is quite an atmosphere on that street.

Ken
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::Rokh
10/23/08 3:15 AM GMT
Many thanks Mike for your kind comment on "Daisy"!
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::SEFA
10/23/08 8:15 PM GMT
Hi Mike, many thank´s for the wonderful comment on "Break of Day", i really appreciate it a lot!
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SEFA
.rriesop
10/23/08 9:01 PM GMT
Thanks for the comment on "ye Olde Parliament" Mike. i really appreciate your words. Awesome .
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.rozem061
10/24/08 5:05 PM GMT
Thanks, Mike, for commenting on "Houses project" !
Regards!
John

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::doubleheader
10/25/08 12:53 AM GMT
Thanks for commenting on Both Sides Mike.. Its one flame so the line down the center suprized me some.Changed the color a bit from the original gradient....=D
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Live simply. Speak kindly. Care deeply. Love generously.
.Ravenwyng
10/27/08 7:07 PM GMT
Hi MIke ....many thanks for looking in on 'Mischief' and your lovely words. I'm pleased you like the pic...your visit is much appreciated..Jacquie
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Merry meet, merry part and merry meet again.
.zunazet
10/28/08 3:38 AM GMT
Thanks for commenting on Desecration Mike. I had doubts about posting such a picture, but it has provoked some emotion from folks. And that is what I hoped to do. I wanted to know I was not the only one who cared. I am with you all the way. Truth and dignity have been missing here for a long time. And caring for our troops when they return and the families of those who don't should be our and our governments highest priorities!
DP

"No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave."
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"Democracy can only survive in a society where the people are motivated by love and respect for others, and a desire to reach out for something better."
.Mythmaker
10/28/08 4:07 AM GMT
Hey Mike,
Glad you liked the Fractal Medusa image and thanks for commenting so nicely.
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"The thunderbolt falls on an inch of ground; but the light of it fills the horizon." Ralph Waldo Emerson.
.Corconia
10/28/08 6:45 AM GMT
Hi Mike, many thanks for your warm comments on 'Olden Days'. I am glad you liked it.
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Why not visit my Gallery.
.Betheena
10/31/08 8:19 PM GMT
Am very glad my "Bright Yellow Mums" made you smile!
Thanks for your kind comment! Have a Great day!
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&purmusic
11/03/08 1:40 AM GMT
Hey Mike,

Really, really ... nice to have read your comments on "Break Time".

To have evoked such a narrative response from you with respect to your comments placed, are indeed a compliment.

Appreciate you taking the time to view and share your thoughts. Very much. :o)

Thanks again.

Les.

p.s. And I quote, (you, that is);

"edit: (not that you don't know anything :)"

Got that right. I know stuff. Lots and lots ... of stuff. :oD
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"Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi
.fly
11/04/08 1:52 AM GMT
Hi Mike,under my name fly. Toronto Ca. look at this photo says it all. I only see the top of the trees.
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.rozem061
11/04/08 2:37 PM GMT
.........You know, there was something not quite right at second glance. It's the shadows. The sun is behind the clouds and at a different angle than the angle of the shadows being cast. Hate to point it out, but if you are like me, you post to learn .......))

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Congrats, Mike!...I must say, you observed very, very well!.
I thought maybe nobody will noticed that the the sun / shadow situation isn't quite correct!, but you noticed it very well
Thanks Mike !, and I agree with you:..."you are never too old
to learn!"
John
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::verenabloo
11/04/08 3:43 PM GMT
Hey there MIke...Oh I would love to make a living with my Photography...I used to make, and sell greeting cards, but have stopped that, but one day I sure hope to be able to find a way to sell my photos. Thank you so much for enjoying my Fall Fantasy and for telling me so....hugs to you..Verena
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Courage is fear that has said its prayers.
::marcaribe
11/06/08 1:36 AM GMT
Thanks Mike for commenting on the Old Mill Restaurant
Can you believe I have never eaten there but I hear it's good and reasonable I usually stop by there once or twice a year to take a couple of snaps.
Diane
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.captaindrewi
11/08/08 2:11 AM GMT
cheers mike, for commenting on 'tridoz' recently.
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::Melanie_design
12/09/08 11:30 PM GMT
You are so right my friend I do love christ but I am far from being a christian, I don't think the two go together anyway. Very happy that you get my vibe. Love the saying and I will remember it.

Thank you.
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.kriegsmachine
01/11/09 4:47 PM GMT
Thanks for the feedback on "Molecular"
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-kriegs
.LehviMinder
01/28/09 3:42 AM GMT
Thanks mike, im gonna give that a shot
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.MarianaEwa
08/26/09 8:27 PM GMT
Thank you very much Mike for the lovely comments on my "Wings" much appreciated.
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.japio
11/13/10 2:57 PM GMT
Thank you for your compliments on "chateau villandry"
kind regards
Japio
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.marcaribe
01/18/11 2:25 PM GMT
Thank you Mike for loving "Canadian Snowbirds" I do too. I had a ocean front hotel room that week so
I just relaxed on my pool deck lounge chair and watched the show over the beach in comfort. My favorites were the F-16 Viper Demonstration F-22 Raptor Demonstration The reason I liked them the best is they were fast, loud and when they turn away you could see the flames in the after burner.
Diane
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.slk15
01/18/11 7:57 PM GMT
Thank you for your comment on Lock 12 Revisited. I'd love another shot at it with a real camera but unfortunately, it's in CT and I am in GA. Next time I make it up there, I'll have to try again and if I do, I will dedicate it to you. =)
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I'm in a story both funny and cruel. But am I the hero or am I the fool?
.Eubeen
01/27/11 2:27 AM GMT
Thanks for your comments on "Where There's Smoke...". I realized after posting it that it would have looked better cropped. Have a lovely day. ~Wendell
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.Eubeen
01/29/11 3:12 AM GMT
Thanks for the additional comments on "Where There's Smoke...". I might try that with the next photo. The result can't be much worse than this one. Have a great day. ~Wendell
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.rozem061
03/18/11 6:08 PM GMT
Thanks Mike, for stopping by and commenting on "U.M.C.G" !
John
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.marcaribe
07/03/11 2:45 PM GMT
glad you like Georgia On My Mind Mike
since it's a holiday weekend extra creds for all!
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.LANJOCKEY
07/10/11 5:15 PM GMT
Hello Mike....Many thanks for taking the time to view (WONDERFUL MOMENT)and for your comments,it is so much appreciated....Where-ever I go my camera comes with me as you never know what is around the corner to photograph....Thankyou again....All the very best to you Mike.............Mick.
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.marcaribe
07/11/11 2:44 PM GMT
Thank you for your glowing words Mike on "Last Golden Rays" I was there in February the sunset looks warm but I was frozen brrr..it cold standing out on the beach but the sunset was worth it, hey how is life going in Middle TN?
Diane

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.rozem061
07/13/11 12:35 AM GMT
Hoi, Mike !
Thank you very much for your heartwarming comment on
"Daily green" !
Kind regards !
John
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.raffinata
07/13/11 2:34 PM GMT
Thank you for you kind comments on my fractal:)I see awesome work here!
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.rozem061
07/14/11 8:33 AM GMT
Hoi, Mike !
Thanks for commenting on "Reitdiep valley 2"
I did add an other sky, because I did not like the original sky
So infact it is a kind of manipulation isn't it ?
Although I'm not very happy with the result, I could have done it better !
Regards !
John
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.imbusion
07/23/11 1:39 AM GMT
Hey Mike,
Thanks so much for stopping by to check out my Cacti and Mountains! I appreciated your comments greatly and am glad for your input. I'm also thrilled that you got to experience those majestic Rockies as well. They really are a sight to behold.
Jeff
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::casechaser
07/29/11 1:57 PM GMT
Hi Mike and thank you for the fav on "Two Women." ~~ John
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::casechaser
08/06/11 2:00 PM GMT
Hi Mike. Thank you for the congrats on "Shattered." I truly do appreciate your comments. ~~ John
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.Sinestro
08/09/11 3:20 AM GMT
Hello, Mike! Thanks for Your compliment on Off Track, I appreciate it!
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::braces
08/11/11 12:03 AM GMT
Mike, thanks for making "Queen Of The Night" a favourite, I really do appreciate it.
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"If I had to live my life over, I'd live over a saloon." W.C. Fields. So, live your life to the full and see My Gallery.
.Sinestro
08/11/11 4:11 AM GMT
Greetings, Mike! Thank you for Your candid insights on The Dam... and for Your compliment!
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::Mannie3
08/14/11 12:35 AM GMT
Thanks for looking through the window into Tiger Watch. The photo turned out much better than I expected, as it was taken through a thick layer of glass. Thanks for your comments!
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Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?
::Mannie3
08/14/11 12:38 AM GMT
Thanks for jumping into the Dust Bath.
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Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?
::SEFA
08/14/11 6:22 PM GMT
Hello Mike,
thank you so much for the very kind comment on "The tarn",
I appreciate it a lot!
Thank´s also for adding me to your friends list, I am looking forward to see more of your beautiful creations.
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::Homtail
08/15/11 8:39 AM GMT
HI Mike, thankyou so much for your compliments on 'Worlds First Skyscrapers'. I wasnt even sure it was worth posting but i got such a positive response and the image that i posted straight after i much preferred but has had a more negative response! Just goes to show how beneficial sharing your work can be :D
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He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the almighty. I will say of the Lord, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God in whom i trust". Psalm 91: 1 and 2
::SEFA
08/15/11 8:17 PM GMT
Thank´s so much Mike for the very kind words on "The Chapel" and for taking it to your faves. Greatly appreciated!
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.Ampelius
08/17/11 5:42 PM GMT
Hey, thanks for your comment on "Imposter", you are right about the angle of the shot, guess it keeps you wondering ;)
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Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils ... - Louis Hector Berlioz
::casechaser
08/19/11 8:55 PM GMT
Hi Mike - thanks for the fav on "The Passion of Promises Not Asked." ~~ John
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::SEFA
08/20/11 9:47 AM GMT
Hello Mike,
many thank´s for your very kind words on "Hiding evening sun", greatly appreciated!
I under-exposed the photo slightly and then raised the expoure when editing in PS3.
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.Sinestro
08/22/11 1:44 AM GMT
Greetings, Mike! Many Thanks for your Kind words on Look, Up in the Sky! I'm happy you Enjoyed it!
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::SEFA
08/22/11 9:41 PM GMT
Congratulations on your 5:th place in the Tolkien-esque contest Mike!
Very well deserved!


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::luckyshot
08/23/11 12:03 AM GMT
Mike - Congratulations on placing in the Tolkein-esque Contest. Thad
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If I could tell the story in words, I wouldn't need to lug around a camera. ~Lewis Hine
::Homtail
08/23/11 8:36 AM GMT
Hi Mike thankyou for dropping by and leaving your congratulations on my 4th place in the contest! I always try and enter but this is only the second time i have ranked in the top 5. I am very pleased and surprised! Congratulations also on your ranking. It was a great entry :D
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He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the almighty. I will say of the Lord, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God in whom i trust". Psalm 91: 1 and 2
.barriten
08/25/11 7:04 PM GMT
Many thanks for your comments on my photo son et lumiere. Apologies for taking so long to acknowledge these, but we have been away from home a lot, often in remote areas with no internet access. And yes, it was quite spectacular, this image is only a small part of a vast and beautifully choreographed moving display.
Barry.
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Bary Observe the masses, & then do the opposite.
.nuke88
08/30/11 3:43 AM GMT
a big thank you for your comment on johns reproduction in oil i appreciate the attention but as i said before without the support and encouragement from john i could not have done this, his photo was and is one of my favorites, only one of a kind,
thank you!
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.DigiCamMan
09/02/11 2:49 AM GMT
Hey Mike,thanks for the comments on "Speed Freak" much appreciated. I used to leave more room on the the left but it looks unbalanced when framed and 9 out 10 these kinda shots gets cropped off by the printer so they almost have to be centered to keep the back from being cropped off. I have found that the printers are our masters.
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Lu 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. ........ My Gallery
.Little_Art_Gurl
09/02/11 11:53 PM GMT
Mike,

Many thanks for your kind words on "Rustic Beauty (Redone)" ! I really appreciate it :)

Cheers!

-Maria
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"I believe in Christianity as I believe in the rising sun; not because I see it, but by it I can see all else." -C.S. Lewis
.vangsdesign
09/06/11 1:11 PM GMT
Hello Mike, thanks for the comments on "HUmmingbird Watcher". The hair is a bit challenge but I guess that is the fun of it.
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::casechaser
09/08/11 3:12 PM GMT
Hi Mike - many thanks for making "Substance From Which Future Stories Are Made" a fav! ~~ John
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::DigiCamMan
09/09/11 10:24 PM GMT
Thanks Mike for the congrats on "HalfBreed" very much appreciated.
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Lu 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. ........ My Gallery
::casechaser
09/14/11 2:20 PM GMT
Hi Mike - thanks for the wonderful comment and the fav on "Benches." ~~ John
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.Eubeen
09/15/11 12:29 AM GMT
Thanks Mike for your comments and lyrics on "Bug". Glad you enjoyed the photo. Have a great day. ~Wendell
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The difference between a bad artist and a good one is: the bad artist seems to copy a great deal; the good one really does. ~William Blake
::DigiCamMan
09/17/11 2:38 AM GMT
Hey Mike, thanks for the comments on "Stone Church" much appreciated.
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Lu 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. ........ My Gallery
.marcaribe
09/17/11 12:22 AM GMT
Thanks for looking at the weird
Devil's Hole in the Lost Sea Cave Mike. You might have visited it yourself seeing it's in Sweetwater and it's big claim to fame it's America's largest underground lake. You take a 3/4 mile cave walking tour complete with a boat trip around the low lit lake stocked with trout the tour guide tosses fish food into the water and the big trout come alongside the boat and gobble it down. It's no great shakes but OK.
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.PrettyFae
09/18/11 7:34 AM GMT
Thanks Mike for a really lovely comment on Axolotl :) Hehe dress-skin, skin-dress? I don't really know either! It was a bit of a spontaneous idea but I'm glad I drew it up now :) Take care xxx
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::SEFA
09/21/11 7:03 PM GMT
Hi Mike,
Many thanks for taking "Wild eyes" to your faves, I appreciate it a lot!
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::rzettek
09/26/11 1:47 AM GMT
Thanks for your comments on My Patio Friend. Much Appreciated.
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.marcaribe
09/27/11 3:18 PM GMT
To my fellow Tennessean Mike
Thank you for your great comment on Spring Time In Tennessee, USA
I posted a springtime picture since I have not downloaded my Colorado trip photo's yet and who can hate a spring pic from good old rocky top, rocky top TN. I do love spring and fall here. Winter is cold and summer is too hot, hazy and humid
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.Homtail
10/30/11 1:01 PM GMT
Hi Mike, thankyou so much for your comment on 'Columns Light the Way'. Im so pleased you liked it and really appreciate the positive affirmation. Thankyou again :)
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He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the almighty. I will say of the Lord, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God in whom i trust". Psalm 91: 1 and 2
::danika
11/22/11 5:03 PM GMT
Hi Mike ... Thanks for your comments & fave on "Mystical Passages". Mandelbulb 3D was a challenge at first, but found some helpful tutorials. Glad you like it.

Much appreciation ... Sherree
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.Sinestro
12/14/11 5:19 AM GMT
Hello, Mike! Thank you kindly for Taking the Time to Candidly remark on Starro the Conqueror! Your opinion is Well noted and Highly appreciated!
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.jazzilady
01/05/12 5:54 AM GMT
Thank you so much for faving "Escape!"
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.Tomeast
02/16/12 11:48 PM GMT
Hi Mike , Thank you for your comments , they are appreciated , Tom
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.stonewolff
02/19/12 4:30 AM GMT
I really like your style of work. By creating a movement in your photos you open up one's imagination allowing the observer to create a new and spontaneous dimension to your 'moving' and 'every changing' Magical photos....thanks......
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.LakeMichigan
02/19/12 6:49 PM GMT
Thanks for the comment on " French Quarter Balcony" . Glad you like the photo. N.O is a beautiful city.
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.zunazet
03/06/12 4:34 AM GMT
The Lookout

"Well done and a well deserved win"

Thanks Mike! :)
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People aren't going to remember the things you do. They're going to remember how you made people feel. Be kind, gracious, and appreciative. Dan Winters - Photographer.
.captaindrewi
03/27/13 12:49 AM GMT
Thanks Mike for recent comment on 'kelteeca'
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.zunazet
05/14/13 3:43 AM GMT
Wheat Drops

Thanks for the complements Mike.
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::LakeMichigan
10/08/13 2:15 PM GMT
Thank you Mike for the comment on Archway , I appreciate it .
Marsha
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::mirto56
04/02/14 4:17 PM GMT
Thanks Mike for your kind comments and adding "April Fool" to your faves. Much appreciated!
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The thing that goes the farthest, towards making life worthwhile, it costs the least and does the most, is just a pleasant smile.
.theradman
01/27/15 8:15 PM GMT
thanks for viewing, making such a nice comment AND adding to you faves my image Pontaut Chapter House. Much appreciated.
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-My Gallery- The virtue of the camera is not the power it has to transform the photographer into an artist, but the impulse it gives him to keep on looking. - Brooks Anderson
.gonedigital
03/04/15 11:50 PM GMT
Hi Mike thanks for calling round at my gallery and commenting on Nightfall across Clifton Suspension bridge #2 it's good to hear from you and the fav is appreciated. I've never thought of the bridge being eerie and spooky before but shooting it always is. (o:
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::Jimbobedsel
03/20/15 2:26 PM GMT
Congrats again, for placing in the contest. Excellent work.
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.Joanie
03/25/15 11:27 PM GMT
Congrats on your win Mike!!!
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ALWAYS VIEW FULL SCREEN...SO MUCH MORE BEAUTY!
.bfrank
04/05/15 11:03 PM GMT
Hi Mike! Thanks for the fave of "Bloodroot". I appreciate it.
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Life's moments are sweet. I just want to capture all that I can of them.
.bfrank
05/02/15 2:51 AM GMT
I'm glad you liked "The Lair" Mike. Thanks for faving it.
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Life's moments are sweet. I just want to capture all that I can of them.
.GomekFlorida
05/05/15 3:41 PM GMT
Thanks for the fave on my submission "Wrinkled"
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Long before the white man and long before the wheel, when the dark green forests were too silent to be real. Light foot 1967
::mirto56
05/06/15 3:35 AM GMT
Thanks Mike for the comments and fave on "Springtime Vines." Glad you like the image. Cheers!
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Smile, without a reason why. Love, as if you were a child, Smile, no matter what they tell you Don't listen to a word they say Cause life is beautiful that way. (From the film "Life Is Beautiful")
::mirto56
07/01/15 7:57 PM GMT
Thanks for the fave on "Ballerina Spirit" Mike. I thought she looked pretty cool after the manip. Much appreciated.
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Smile, without a reason why. Love, as if you were a child, Smile, no matter what they tell you Don't listen to a word they say Cause life is beautiful that way. (From the film "Life Is Beautiful")
::Jimbobedsel
07/02/15 1:36 PM GMT
Congrats on your 3rd place in the contest.
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::mirto56
07/28/15 1:11 PM GMT
Hey Mike, you should tag along on my next shoot up in the Alps! Thanks for the kind words and fave on "Stillness At Dawn".
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Smile, without a reason why. Love, as if you were a child, Smile, no matter what they tell you Don't listen to a word they say Cause life is beautiful that way. (From the film "Life Is Beautiful")
::mirto56
08/03/15 7:05 PM GMT
Ciao Mike and many thanks for your kind comments and fave on "German Silhouette." That was indeed, a fine morning out on the beach.
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Smile, without a reason why. Love, as if you were a child, Smile, no matter what they tell you Don't listen to a word they say Cause life is beautiful that way. (From the film "Life Is Beautiful")
::photoeye68
09/17/15 3:26 PM GMT
Thanks for the faves on Good Day Sunshine. Much appreciated.
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
::mirto56
10/16/15 8:02 PM GMT
Thanks again Mike for adding "Pink Sky" to your faves.
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Smile, without a reason why. Love, as if you were a child, Smile, no matter what they tell you Don't listen to a word they say Cause life is beautiful that way. (From the film "Life Is Beautiful")
::photoeye68
10/28/15 8:59 PM GMT
Thanks for faving "First Touch" it is greatly appreciated.
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
.bfrank
04/09/18 1:56 AM GMT
Thanks for the fave of "Oh Deer", Mike. I appreciate it.
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When fear comes to me I will stubbornly choose Faith Instead!!!!
::casechaser
04/09/18 3:25 PM GMT
Mike, thank you for the favs on Chocolate Covered Cherries and In The Center of Nothing. Much appreciated. ~~ John
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