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Tiger Swallowtail 1 by egggray, photography->butterflies gallery Dragonfly by egggray, photography->insects/spiders gallery Electricity by egggray, photography->skies gallery
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.foofoo
03/23/06 3:24 PM GMT
Thanks Gregg for taking a peek at "In the Shadows". All kinds of goodies in the woods if you're brave enough to go in LOL. Thanks again- Eileen
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.foofoo
03/24/06 10:51 PM GMT
Thanks Gregg for your comment at "Little Blossoms". So glad you liked it and maybe it won't be long before you have some color in your yard :)
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.zippee
03/25/06 2:57 AM GMT
Thanks for checking out "Ziggy" and writing comments. I appreciate you taking the time. That's too funny that your cat has the same name - I'm assuming it's the pirate! He's adorable.
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.foofoo
03/27/06 11:31 PM GMT
Believe it or not Gregg, the water is that blue at "Tucked Away". So glad you enjoyed it and it is a really beautiful place.
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.foofoo
03/30/06 12:45 AM GMT
Thanks so much Gregg for looking at "Buds and Blooms". Well, spring is here but my flowers and shrubs have to catch up LOL. Thanks again- Eileen
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.foofoo
03/31/06 3:37 PM GMT
Funny Gregg,glad you liked "Best Seat In The House" . I didn't wait around to check for anything- just wanted to shoot it and get the heck outta there. Thanks for viewing!
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.foofoo
04/02/06 11:06 PM GMT
Thanks Gregg for putting "Ivy League" into your favorites. So glad you enjoyed it :)
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.foofoo
04/03/06 9:12 AM GMT
Good morning Gregg and thanks for the comment left at "From all angles". Eileen
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.foofoo
04/09/06 3:52 PM GMT
Hi ya Gregg- Love the 2 photos you posted. I also want to thank you for stopping by "Heads Up!". These were 2 small black racers I happened across. Very common non-poisonous snake where I live.Thanks again- Eileen
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.foofoo
04/11/06 6:43 AM GMT
Oh Gregg- you're too kind. So glad you liked "Country Charm". I just wish I could have gotten the entire house in this- Eileen
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.jcferg99
04/11/06 5:51 PM GMT
Hi Gregg, thanks for taking the time to look at "Pretty in Pink" and I am glad you liked it. I will be posting more now that the rainy season is winding down.
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.JayC242
04/13/06 1:41 AM GMT
Hey Gregg.
Many thanks for your words and time taken over 'Comfort Eating'.
Much appreciated !!
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.jcferg99
04/13/06 2:13 AM GMT
Gregg, I am delighted you liked "True Blue" well enough to put it in your favorites. Thank you for your kindness.
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::onespock
04/13/06 6:59 AM GMT
Thanks Gregg for the kind comments on "In the moonlight" I truly appreciate it and am glad you like it :)

Moe
Science officer's station
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-"The needs of the many,outweigh the needs of the few or the one".-Spock
::Hottrockin
04/13/06 9:00 AM GMT
A little sunscreen and we're ready for some Morning Sunbathing . 8~o

Thanks for sneakin' by to take a peek at it!!
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::Melodyn65
04/13/06 5:59 PM GMT
7 Days After Blue Bird Egg Shot
Thanks for the comments on my pic! I really do appreciate them!!!! I had to put that pic on since I had posted the egg shot a little while ago!!! Have a good one!!!
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Melody
::zippee
04/13/06 8:34 PM GMT
Thanks for stopping by "Spring - finally!" and taking the time to comment.
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::traceyrn
04/14/06 2:23 AM GMT
Thankyou for your nice comment on outcast. I am glad you liked it! Tracey
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A picture is an image..a work of art comes from a mind full of adventure. View my webpage at http://www.timelessexpressions.org
.bdayfun
04/14/06 12:54 AM GMT
Thanks for your comment on "Spring Bud". I appreciate that you took the time to leave it. Thanks again.
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::madmaven
04/14/06 2:13 PM GMT
Thanks Gregg, { Re: Easter Gift } I appreciate your comment / Best Wishes always, Terri
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Please forgive me: I want to thank everyone who views and comments my images, I try but it is hard to write individual thank you at times. Please know you are appreciated!
.Gary1592
04/16/06 5:29 AM GMT
Gregg -- Thanks for the compliment on Lorikeet. Yes, the Nikon D-50 is a very nice camera. I have no regrets whatsoever in my choice of the Nikon over other supposedly comparable cameras.
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.cuddlebuddy48
04/16/06 9:02 PM GMT
Thanks for lookin at my barn...Gregg. Need some flowers...soon.
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.foofoo
04/16/06 11:32 PM GMT
Hi Gregg- Thanks so much for your comments at "Rays of Hope". Very true isn't it?- Eileen
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.foofoo
04/17/06 3:21 PM GMT
Thanks Gregg- Appreciate your comments always. So glad you liked "Cosmic Creatures" - Eileen
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brady0323
04/17/06 8:08 PM GMT
Gregg, thanks for your compliment on my picture glossy red rose. i used the standard Nikon 18-55 mm lens on closeup mode.
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&trisbert
04/17/06 10:55 PM GMT
Hello Gregg. Thank you for your comments about “Backyard Beastie”. I was trying out some macro accessories. I can’t say I’m totally happy with my results yet but your comments are most encouraging.
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There are three colours, Ten digits and seven notes, its what we do with them that’s important. Ruth Ross
::heidlerr
04/18/06 10:26 AM GMT
When I first saw this patch of thistles, it had about 5 Butterflies on it. Soon all but one were gone. I took dozens of photos of this little guy to get my Butterfly Kisses image. They are always moving and it's hard to get a good capture. Thanks Gregg for viewing and posting a comment. Welcome to Caedes.
Russ
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View the world with your mind's eye. Mr. Russ
.foofoo
04/18/06 8:41 PM GMT
Thanks again Gregg- Thankful for the comment left at "Riders of the Storm"- Eileen
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.foofoo
04/19/06 2:44 AM GMT
So glad you liked "Morning Kiss" too Gregg- Thanks for putting it in your favs- Eileen
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::MellodySmiles
04/19/06 4:47 AM GMT
Thank you so much Gregg! I am very pleased you liked Pretty in Pencil. It just came out that way. Your thoughts are appreciated!
Carrie
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Every morning I will rest my arms a while upon the windowsill of heaven, gaze upon God, and with that vision in my heart turn strong to meet my day.
.jcferg99
04/19/06 7:40 PM GMT
Gregg, Thanks for your comment on "Tulips". I did the framing thing and desaturated the outer area because it was a little out of focus. I thought that I could distract folks from noticing the part that wasn't so good by emphasizing the better part. Well, it is fun to try something new, anyway, even if it doesn't always work out perfectly. I really appreciate you taking the time to look at the photo and leave a message. It is not always easy when there are so many new photos every day.
JoAnn
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.foofoo
04/20/06 9:30 PM GMT
Hi Gregg- I really enjoy seeing your comments at my work. When are we going to see a fractal from you?. Glad you enjoyed "Psychedelic Pansy". It was so fun to make- Eileen
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::MellodySmiles
04/20/06 11:58 PM GMT
Thank you Gregg! I am so glad you liked Under the Weeping Willow. All my best to you Carrie.
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Every morning I will rest my arms a while upon the windowsill of heaven, gaze upon God, and with that vision in my heart turn strong to meet my day.
::MellodySmiles
04/21/06 9:23 PM GMT
Me again Gregg! I appreciate your support and I am so glad you found Pick a Daisy pleasing. I am having a great time creating these images. Thanks again, Carrie ;0)
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Every morning I will rest my arms a while upon the windowsill of heaven, gaze upon God, and with that vision in my heart turn strong to meet my day.
.Marzena
04/21/06 9:25 PM GMT
Gregg dear, thanks so much for being so kind about azaleas for Terri which are dedicated to you too of course, dear friend !!!! Thanks so much !
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With all my love and respect, Marzena
::MellodySmiles
04/21/06 9:31 PM GMT
Wow, here I am again Gregg! I am so pleased you liked Willow Weeped. Did you see her in the sky on the right? Thank you so much, Carrie
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Every morning I will rest my arms a while upon the windowsill of heaven, gaze upon God, and with that vision in my heart turn strong to meet my day.
.foofoo
04/21/06 10:39 PM GMT
Happy Friday Gregg- They are quite the pair at "Can You Come Out To Play?" aren't they?. Glad you enjoyed it- Eileen
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::Papi11on
04/22/06 11:21 PM GMT
Hi there Gregg... another friend burning the midnight oil, I see. Happy Sunday morning!! Many thanks for commenting on my 'Art Deco Figurine'. Poor female looks extremely squashed, like she's trying to limbo-dance under a WC door. The original image is more in the proportion of 1200x1600, rather than the other way about. My grateful thanks for commenting.
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Anne-Marie
.Marzena
04/22/06 11:41 PM GMT
Gregg dear, thank you so much for viewing 'more mishaps' ! There will be more to come without doubt !!!! Mishaps are my speciality ...
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With all my love and respect, Marzena
::MellodySmiles
04/22/06 11:44 PM GMT
Hello Gregg! Hope all is well with you this fine day. I wanted to thank you for your kind remarks about White Pink Love. It was a tough one and I am so glad you liked it. Thanks again, Carrie
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Every morning I will rest my arms a while upon the windowsill of heaven, gaze upon God, and with that vision in my heart turn strong to meet my day.
.foofoo
04/23/06 12:48 AM GMT
Hi Gregg- "Keeping A Close Eye" does look like it's stuck doesn't it?. Thanks for the funny comment.
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.jcferg99
04/23/06 2:14 AM GMT
Hey, Greg,
Thanks for taking a look at my "Totem". I am glad you liked it. That "looking up" perspective is fun to use for tall skinney things like trees and flag poles, etc.
JoAnn
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.pamdegraff
04/23/06 2:44 AM GMT
Thanks for your comment on "bee". I have no lenses- just an 8x zoom. I realized during my class that I need a new camera!
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::onespock
04/23/06 4:13 AM GMT
Thanks Gregg for the kind comments on "Little miss early bird" I really appreciate it and am glad you like it :) She hopped really close to me before she seen me...the click of the camera spooked her away :(

Moe
Science officer's station
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-"The needs of the many,outweigh the needs of the few or the one".-Spock
::jeenie11
04/23/06 5:04 AM GMT
hi gregg, i'm glad you like brown eyes. it's one of my favorites because of his eyes. thanks so much for writing. jen
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::heidlerr
04/23/06 12:36 AM GMT
Thanks Gregg for the nice comments on my Bee Blossom image. I love making these close-up shots but it's often hard getting these little guy to hold still long enough to lock in the focus.
Russ
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View the world with your mind's eye. Mr. Russ
::heidlerr
04/23/06 1:03 PM GMT
Hello Gregg! Thanks for viewing and commenting on my Little Green Spider photo. I was searching my yard for things to photograph when I found this little guy on the end of a leaf. This is a macro at the cameras extreme settings.
Russ
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View the world with your mind's eye. Mr. Russ
::Foxfire66
04/23/06 1:42 PM GMT
Thanks for your comments of Pole Nest Gregg, and for taking the time to look.
We've got these all around Florida. It not only gives the birds homes in a shrinking habitat, but allows people to see some truly magnificant Birds alot closer than they would be able to..
Thanks again for looking.
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::zippee
04/24/06 2:13 AM GMT
Thank you for your nice comments about "Rice Paper Butterfly." I'm happy you liked it!
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::Papi11on
04/24/06 7:27 PM GMT
Thank you for your positive feedback, Gregg (re. View From My Window) and I'm pleased you like the image, albeit one that's been seriously doctored! :-) Much appreciated.
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Anne-Marie
.foofoo
04/24/06 8:38 PM GMT
Hi Gregg- Thanks always for your comments. glad you liked "Camera Shy"- Eileen
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.Wyleecoyote
04/24/06 10:08 PM GMT
Hey Gregg. Thanks for your comments on "Through the Trees". Glad you liked it!
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Don't you know that me and Jesus will cheer you on? -Mae My Gallery
::MellodySmiles
04/24/06 11:45 PM GMT
Thank you Gregg! Your positive remarks on Bed of Almond Blossoms is true encouragement. Best Wishes, Carrie
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Every morning I will rest my arms a while upon the windowsill of heaven, gaze upon God, and with that vision in my heart turn strong to meet my day.
.foofoo
04/26/06 12:23 AM GMT
Hi Gregg- Thanks a bunch for your comment at "Funky Flower". Did you notice it's the same color as your avatar? LOL. - Thanks also for "Unrequited Love?" Appreciate it so much- Eileen
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::MellodySmiles
04/26/06 3:38 AM GMT
Hi Gregg, Night Watch started out as a sunset that I wasn't too crazy about so......I started playing with it of course and waaalaaaa! Glad you like it! Carrie
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Every morning I will rest my arms a while upon the windowsill of heaven, gaze upon God, and with that vision in my heart turn strong to meet my day.
::zippee
04/26/06 12:28 AM GMT
Thanks for your nice comments about "Rice Paper Butterfly 2." I'm glad you liked it.
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.arnli
04/26/06 6:01 PM GMT
Hello Gregg,
Thank you for your great comments on "Tiny lilac friend“
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Be happy. Enjoys our earth...Lien.
.mselby6714
04/26/06 6:35 PM GMT
Hi Gregg. I'm thrilled you liked Heaven. Thanks for the feedback.
~Mindy~
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.timw4mail
04/26/06 7:47 PM GMT
Thanks for the comment on "Plateau." I'm glad you liked it.
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"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:10 (KJV) - Timothy J. Warren | http://timshomepage.co.nr |  My Gallery
::MellodySmiles
04/28/06 2:18 AM GMT
Hey Gregg, thanks so much for the compliment on Moonlight Garden. With appreciation, Carrie
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God is Love
::MellodySmiles
04/28/06 2:32 AM GMT
Hi Gregg it's me again! Thank you for the kind remarks about Hitch'em up 1. My best to you and yours. Carrie
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God is Love
.foofoo
04/28/06 9:29 AM GMT
Hi Gregg- Thanks so much for taking the time to comment on "Touche' ". These are aphids that love to dine on rose bushes. They were so funny to watch too- Eileen
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.Marzena
04/28/06 9:42 AM GMT
Dear Gregg,
thanks so much for viewing and commenting so sweetly on 'aromatic snow' !!!
And yes, the smell was just great, especially on a day so hot and in the air full of moisture !!
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With all my love and respect, Marzena
::MellodySmiles
04/29/06 1:15 AM GMT
Thanks Gregg, Car Wash is a strange shot but what else can you do while your in your car and it is being wash...LOL. Thanks though, Carrie
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::MarianaEwa
04/29/06 7:00 AM GMT
Thanks for the kind comments on "Reflection" much appreciated.
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::Papi11on
04/29/06 9:58 AM GMT
G'morning, Gregg! Many thanks for the birthday greetings on a gloriously sunny day here in Norwich. By the way, I breifly submitted the rework of your Window Thru The Past but the very first commentator didn't much care for it, so I binned it. Thanks again though, for letting me use your image. Looking forward to seeing you self-portrait in due course.
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Anne-Marie
::cinny7
04/29/06 12:25 AM GMT
Hi Gregg! Much appreciation to you for the kind words you gave for 'Going To Meet Jesus'...thanks so much, I'm truly grateful!
Hope you have a great day!
Cindy
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In this is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins. 1 John 4:10
.Nekopuff
04/29/06 4:55 PM GMT
Hello!! Thank you so much for the nice comment on "Pear Flowers". So glad you liked it! Have a nice day. Anca
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.foofoo
04/29/06 11:30 PM GMT
Thanks so much Gregg for your comment at "You Little Stinker". Glad I didn't fall in too LOL. Hope you have a great week-end!
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::MellodySmiles
04/30/06 12:13 AM GMT
Oh Gregg did you forget, you were suppose to bring the blanket and lunch...LOL. Thanks for taking a peek at A Picnic Spot, glad you liked it. Carrie
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God is Love
.geolgynut
04/30/06 1:30 AM GMT
Thank you for your wonderful comments on DeBord Falls
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.Marzena
04/30/06 8:57 AM GMT
Dear Gregg,
Many thanks for your sweet comment on 'another plumtree' !!!!
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With all my love and respect, Marzena
+photoimagery
04/30/06 7:31 PM GMT
Thanks Gregg for your kind comments on "Painted Hills Magic". I'm pleased you like it.
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.foofoo
05/01/06 1:32 PM GMT
Good morning Gregg- Sending a big thanks your way for "Natural Beauty". This is a beautiful horse isn't it?- Eileen
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.Marzena
05/01/06 2:43 PM GMT
Gregg dear,
thanks so much for your kind comments on 'elegance' and 'pink salmon' !!!! Boris sends his best regards !
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With all my love and respect, Marzena
.bford88
05/01/06 7:30 PM GMT
Hello Gregg. Thanks for the comment on "Teddy" gladed you liked it.
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.foofoo
05/02/06 7:14 PM GMT
Thank you Gregg- You're always so kind with your comments. So glad you liked "Out On A Limb". You're right, if he would have had his eyes closed I would have probably walked right by him- Eileen
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Be not forgetful to entertain strangers; for thereby some have entertained angels unawares
.foofoo
05/03/06 8:41 PM GMT
Hi again Gregg- So glad you liked "I'm Picking Up Good Vibrations"- It is kind of "dizzy " isn't it?- Eileen
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::MellodySmiles
05/04/06 2:00 AM GMT
What a wonderful thing to say Gregg about Bouquet of Springs! The liquify tool is so neat I think I might try some more designs. Thank you and your encouragement is so appreciated! Carrie
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.Marzena
05/04/06 9:48 PM GMT
Gregg dear,
I am so proud and happy that you liked 'soft purple'. Modestly I must admit that I feel satisfied with this image too LOL
Thank you very much, desr friend.
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With all my love and respect, Marzena
.foofoo
05/05/06 2:04 AM GMT
My dear friend Gregg- Thank you so much for your comment left at "Kindred Spirits". I'm so glad you liked it- Eileen
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Be not forgetful to entertain strangers; for thereby some have entertained angels unawares
.auline
05/06/06 7:13 AM GMT
Thanks Gregg for your kind words for Yellow Tulips. I appreciate them very much. I was lucky it was a gorgeous spring day so the light was good. Glad you like it :)

Auline
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.fogz
05/06/06 8:01 AM GMT
Hi Greg, thanks for thinking my snail picture was good! I thought most people would just say ewwwwww and shut it down! ...but I was quite pleased it turned out so sharp and the raindrops were visible on the grass. :)
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.wimida
05/06/06 11:51 AM GMT
Thanks Gregg....... that you my picture "Young Blackbird" beautiful finds. He is real for me continue sit. At the 2e photograph he left.
Wil
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If you love something, set it free. It it comes back to you, it is yours. If it does not, it was never meant to be. Wil
::MellodySmiles
05/06/06 3:29 PM GMT
Thank you Gregg, I am glad you enjoyed Lavender Flowers Dreams. I am learning the liquify tool in PS and having a great time! Thanks again, Carrie
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::snapshooter87
05/06/06 6:04 PM GMT
Hi Gregg. Thanks for dropping by, and viewing my immaginary deer head, and of course, Blue. Much appreciated.
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::snapshooter87
05/07/06 2:06 AM GMT
Thanks Gregg. Glad you got a kick out of the sleeping drinkers.
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::Hottrockin
05/07/06 9:50 PM GMT
So glad you cruised by to see some Pink Passion !! I'm super duper happy you liked it...thanks!!

MIZ

ZOU
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::Hottrockin
05/07/06 10:02 PM GMT
Grazie for also testing the waters on Red Hot, yet Ice Cold . I'm super pleased you liked it!!
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::Hottrockin
05/07/06 10:12 PM GMT
Thanks so much for fluttering by and taking a peek at When Heaven Comes Down !! I'm glad it lifted your spirits if even for a moment.

No, I have a Canon S2 IS which only shoots in JPEG...I wish it did RAW!! Also, this is no macro...was set in portrait mode to 'fuzz' out the background + post work in PS.
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::MiLo_Anderson
05/08/06 5:28 AM GMT
Thanks for the comment on my spot picture. I used the 105mm f2.8 macro for it. If you are thinking about getting one of them, apparently there is a new dx one out that has the same focal lenght and apature, but also has VR. I think that would be really nice to have.
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No one wanted to pay to say something in my sig, so i will have to try and think of something creative now...
::madmaven
05/08/06 10:57 AM GMT
Hi Gregg!
Thanks so much for your encouraging comment on my YOUNG BUDS photo! It means a lot to me! Terri
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::snapshooter87
05/09/06 4:21 AM GMT
Hi Gregg,
Glad you liked the shot of Blue, on the logs. I'm pretty happy with it myself. Wasn't absolutely sure I had it, till I loaded the card.
Thanks for viewing and commenting. Always appreciated.
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::MellodySmiles
05/10/06 2:47 AM GMT
Hi Gregg, I have snuck away from my holiday to say thank you for your compliment about A Cup of Flowers. I so appreciate you and I will be back online soon. Carrie
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I am going to be on vacation for a few weeks, check in with you when I return and will miss you all ~Waves to all my friends~ Carrie
::snapshooter87
05/10/06 6:59 PM GMT
Dead Calm --- Hi Gregg. Thanks for visiting, and the positive comments. Always appreciated. Negative/constructive ones as well.
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.foofoo
05/10/06 11:27 PM GMT
Thanks Gregg for stopping by "Only In A Fractal World"- I really enjoyed making this- you never know what you'll come up with- Eileen
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Be not forgetful to entertain strangers; for thereby some have entertained angels unawares
.LynEve
05/10/06 11:35 PM GMT
Kia Ora Gregg, Thanks so much for leaving a comment at my Happy Flowers. Much appreciated and I am pleased you like it.
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Keep your face to the sunshine and you can not see the shadows. It's what sunflowers do - Helen Keller
.hockeyjohn27
05/11/06 4:33 AM GMT
thanks for the comment on 'bluebird delight' You mentioned a photo you took similar to that one. Where could I find that i would love to see it!

John
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::Benroy
05/12/06 9:37 AM GMT
Thanks Gregg for your comments on Hoverfly, appreciate it.

Cheers........
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::Paul_Gerritsen
05/12/06 2:05 PM GMT
Hello Gregg,

thanks for your praise at the worker bee!
The camera is a Canon 350D slr and this particular lens is a Canon EF-S f2.8 60mm Macro lens.
Thanks,
Paul
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